Being a great dancer is no excuse for being a slimeball.
Leader's blacklist
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Being a great dancer is no excuse for being a slimeball.
wonderwoman
Son
Neither is an excuse for the other. Sometimes it is a package deal?
wonderwoman
Son
Ha ha, the comment that annoys me most is: "Smile!"
I'm usually a very smiley dancer, and if I'm not smiling, it's usually because of the discomfort caused by you the leader! Grrrr
omg! I forgot about smile!!! How??? lol I used to hate being told to smile but only when I was a miserable person, when I want to be happy, being reminded to smile actually cheers me up!
toan-hoang
Son
Timing issues, bad followers (or leaders), moody people, rube people, bad song/dancer combination etc... I just think to myself that this is only one dance...
The only people who reach my blacklist are those who I feel can potentially cause harm to myself or others e.g. pull my shoulder, run around crazily and hitting everything on the dance floor...
The only people who reach my blacklist are those who I feel can potentially cause harm to myself or others e.g. pull my shoulder, run around crazily and hitting everything on the dance floor...
Ron Obvious
Son
I think you use zero tolerance a bit generously. What if you ask me to dance and I cannot because my hand is in a plaster, would you still put me in the list?
wonderwoman
Son
I wouldn't expect you to be out at a salsa night if that was the case, but I guess if you were physically disabled I wouldn't take it personally.
Why would you even ask that?
Ron Obvious
Son
I have been out in a salsa night with my hand in a plaster: to talk to my friends. And I have asked women to dance without seeing they had a broken arm too.
What you probably mean is being turned down without a good excuse.
What you probably mean is being turned down without a good excuse.
Talking about injuries, I once asked a guy who then explained to me that he had injured his shoulder. I, of course, felt sorry for him and moved on. A few songs later however he came to ask me and we had a very fun one-handed dance.
So, Ron, plaster or no plaster - on the dance floor, pronto!
(just joking, couldn't help it
)
So, Ron, plaster or no plaster - on the dance floor, pronto!
(just joking, couldn't help it
)
Ron Obvious
Son
I did dance a few one-handed dances back then, but it depends on which hand you injure. It was my right hand, it does all the leading.
wonderwoman
Son
My best male friend danced with a bad shoulder injury and even after surgery, before he was supposed to. Almost as bad as how everyone was dancing in the winter even if they had the flu. Grrr. If we didn't blacklist eachother for having the flu, we obviously are badly addicted to salsa.
TwoLeftFeet
Son
There is a guy in my salsa scene who is pretty good and only has one arm!
Yeah, there is a woman in Melbourne with only one arm, greatly enjoys her salsa. We have a deaf lady in Osaka - she stares hard at the leads! - who I think is an amazing person. Good on them
Salsa Student
Son Montuno
One of the follows that I dance with semi-regularly is almost legally blind.
I usually dance with anyone regardless of skill level, so you had to do something that I thought wasn't in good taste.
1. I see no reason to dance with you if you didn't give me the time or place when I was a beginner. Also if I see you actively refusing dances with all other beginners / intermediates or avoiding them, that's also a blacklist.
2. A refusal for a dance without a reason.
3. Finally the most offensive act, if you're giving me silly advice on the dance floor while we're dancing that I know for a fact is wrong, that's an immediate blacklist, and I'll tell other leaders about it so they know to avoid you.
1. I see no reason to dance with you if you didn't give me the time or place when I was a beginner. Also if I see you actively refusing dances with all other beginners / intermediates or avoiding them, that's also a blacklist.
2. A refusal for a dance without a reason.
3. Finally the most offensive act, if you're giving me silly advice on the dance floor while we're dancing that I know for a fact is wrong, that's an immediate blacklist, and I'll tell other leaders about it so they know to avoid you.
olamalam
Son Montuno
There is a lady who used to give advices or criticises me a lot on the dance floor. I didn't put her to my black list, but I didn't dance with her for at least 3-4 months. We were chatting friendly but I've never asked her for 3-4 months. Last night I decided to ask her since now I'm competent enough to say "just follow and enjoy" (polite way to say shut up!)
I started to dance on2, she suddenly stopped and warned me that I am on2. I said "I know but you are on1". Then she decided to follow me and after the dance told me that I improved a lot and bla bla. Problem solved
I avoid followers with one or more of these traits :
- super boring / no feeling
- mummy faces : (example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItviUwyLjX4 )
- rough (pull on the connection, use their thumbs, and so on)
- heavy dancing / following. This doesn't have a direct link to actual weight. There is a dancer I know who is tall and overweight, probably around 5'10" and 200lbs, but who follows lightly and I like to dance with her a lot
- bad basic balance. I want to be able to do a CBL with turn and single turns
- don't understand the basic rythm. I don't mean who get lost now and then, I mean the ones who run through the moves, are consistently off time
- give silly advice (one comment once is OK though as long and it's relevant)
- are all over the place
- fight the lead / lead themselves
- just run as soon as I begin a lead, ie. I do a slight prep and she starts spinning in the direction of the prep
- smell bad (luckily this is rare)
- do excessive styling (that interferes with the lead)
- take up too much space. I don't like big steps and fully extended arms, particularly if she's tall
- weak frame. I like to eat marshmallow, but I don't like to hold it in my arms. CBL 360 is one of my very favorite moves, and it requires a good frame
- non-reactive / low energy (this particular one will usually just be for that evening, she may just be tired that day, so I'll forget about it if she seems awake the next time I meet her)
I will usually try again a few months after though, they may have changed. Except if the reason for not inviting them again was that they were obnoxious.
I have no problem with beginners either. As long as they have their basics down (basic timing, cbl, single turn ...) I'll be fine dancing with them, and they usually like my style a lot because I use "no option lead" all the time.
My very favorite are :
- light dancers
- very strong frame
- average height (5'6" to 5'8" seems pretty good to me)
- very compact in their dancing. Never fully extend their arms, stay close, do small steps
- playful
- outstanding musicality
- very good technical and following ability (balance, spins and sharp spin stops, speed, timing, arm tension / connection, ...)
- hot and good body movement (hell yeah !! I'm a guy, I like hot women !)
I know a few and it's just incredible to dance with them.
- super boring / no feeling
- mummy faces : (example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItviUwyLjX4 )
- rough (pull on the connection, use their thumbs, and so on)
- heavy dancing / following. This doesn't have a direct link to actual weight. There is a dancer I know who is tall and overweight, probably around 5'10" and 200lbs, but who follows lightly and I like to dance with her a lot
- bad basic balance. I want to be able to do a CBL with turn and single turns
- don't understand the basic rythm. I don't mean who get lost now and then, I mean the ones who run through the moves, are consistently off time
- give silly advice (one comment once is OK though as long and it's relevant)
- are all over the place
- fight the lead / lead themselves
- just run as soon as I begin a lead, ie. I do a slight prep and she starts spinning in the direction of the prep
- smell bad (luckily this is rare)
- do excessive styling (that interferes with the lead)
- take up too much space. I don't like big steps and fully extended arms, particularly if she's tall
- weak frame. I like to eat marshmallow, but I don't like to hold it in my arms. CBL 360 is one of my very favorite moves, and it requires a good frame
- non-reactive / low energy (this particular one will usually just be for that evening, she may just be tired that day, so I'll forget about it if she seems awake the next time I meet her)
I will usually try again a few months after though, they may have changed. Except if the reason for not inviting them again was that they were obnoxious.
I have no problem with beginners either. As long as they have their basics down (basic timing, cbl, single turn ...) I'll be fine dancing with them, and they usually like my style a lot because I use "no option lead" all the time.
My very favorite are :
- light dancers
- very strong frame
- average height (5'6" to 5'8" seems pretty good to me)
- very compact in their dancing. Never fully extend their arms, stay close, do small steps
- playful
- outstanding musicality
- very good technical and following ability (balance, spins and sharp spin stops, speed, timing, arm tension / connection, ...)
- hot and good body movement (hell yeah !! I'm a guy, I like hot women !)
I know a few and it's just incredible to dance with them.
I've been "guilty" of asking women this very question a few 8-counts into the dance. Usually happens if I'm in a heavily on2 venue dancing with someone I don't know ... I might have just have started on2 by default before realising that she's an on1 dancer trying really hard to follow my "off" timing and almost succeeding.
Thank goodness I don't get blacklisted for it (that I know of), as there are some great on1 dancers that I would be sorry not to dance with!
Which is why I usually ask before the dance if I don't know the person
Jerseylotte
Changui
LOL!
I'll admit that if I get into a dance with a guy that starts to go very badly (rough/hard handholds, no timing, enthusiastic to the point of arm snapping, sleazy, too close with awful breath/sweat/BO, thinks he's god's gift while correcting everything you do to feed his ego), but where I don't feel strongly enough to warrant walking off (never done it btw)...
Then, I will deliberately use "mummy face" or " seriously unimpressed face". I'm hoping that this will either immediately put the guy off from asking me again, or maybe he'll have chosen to ask me after seeing me have so much fun dancing with someone else and he might wonder what's wrong with his lead to make me so sour faced.
Yes it's passive aggressive but within the confines of polite dance etiquette it's sometimes the only option before walking off.
wonderwoman
Son
I used to get turned down for dances for a lot of the reasons tresto lists, included but not limited to Mummy Face.
First let me say, I just sometimes concentrate when I dance and if I haven't had a good day I might look like that. My life's been doodoo for the duration that I've been out salsa dancing, so there have been lots of times I've looked like that. Its not that I'm unimpressed with my partner, its that I'm taking my mind off outside stuff, so while I maybe didn't get goofy happy, I was at least neutral, not thinking.
I started to get more dances when I started to consciously make the effort to smile, and more and more its even genuine. lol
The girl in the background in that video with the blond hair that's dark underneath, she has the opposite of Mummy face.
However, some of the best dancers in my scene don't smile when they dance. They're just in to it. The guy I'm dating is known to be too serious/intense for some people's liking, he doesn't smile when he dances. *shrug*
First let me say, I just sometimes concentrate when I dance and if I haven't had a good day I might look like that. My life's been doodoo for the duration that I've been out salsa dancing, so there have been lots of times I've looked like that. Its not that I'm unimpressed with my partner, its that I'm taking my mind off outside stuff, so while I maybe didn't get goofy happy, I was at least neutral, not thinking.
I started to get more dances when I started to consciously make the effort to smile, and more and more its even genuine. lol
The girl in the background in that video with the blond hair that's dark underneath, she has the opposite of Mummy face.
However, some of the best dancers in my scene don't smile when they dance. They're just in to it. The guy I'm dating is known to be too serious/intense for some people's liking, he doesn't smile when he dances. *shrug*
Latindancer006
Changui
- mummy faces : (example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItviUwyLjX4 )
Is it just me or are there other people who do not like to see salsa dancing in swim wear or bikinis. The only type of dancing in a bikini is lap dancing.
Is it just me or are there other people who do not like to see salsa dancing in swim wear or bikinis. The only type of dancing in a bikini is lap dancing.