The Polls

in the United States, the Iran War is currently cited as the most unpopular conflict in U.S. history....at its beginning, initial support was recorded at only 41%, with a 59% opposition rate according to recent CNN polling, if we compare these polls with the Vietnam War, a war that became deeply unpopular, however, at the start of direct U.S. combat involvement in 1965 a Gallup poll found that 61% of Americans supported the decision to send troops, while only 24% considered it a mistake....as we can see, the Vietnam War was generally popular, with a strong majority of the American public supporting the decision to send troops to defend South Vietnam against communism, however, in later years it became one of the most unpopular wars in history due to the draft and high casualties....in contrast, the Iran War could just involve air strikes and navar intervention to permanently eliminate Iran's nuclear weapons potential, destroy its missile and naval capabilities, however, an invation of Iran sounds everyday more factual, the U.S. is accelerating the deployment of thousands of additional Marines and the 11th Expeditionary Unit to the region, this makes the invasion of Iran increasingly imminent with the Pantagon reportedly requesting over 200 billion dollars for the war, which could potentially lead to regime change, citing regional instability several NATO members (Poland, Spain, Croatia) have withdrawn troops from Iraq, while Russia and China have called for de-escaletion and offered varying levels of support to Teheran....reopening the Strait of Hormuz which Iran has closed using mines, missiles and drones constitutes one of the objectives of this war, which could escalate into a regional conflict and an energy crisis

i forgot to add these videos about Vietnam-Iran to this post....take care all

1. Iran Issues BIG Threat To Trump, Warns Against Boots On Ground

2. Iran Ground War Sparks Vietnam Fears

3. Netanyahu says claims Israel dragged the U.S. into the Iran War are "fake news"



 
salsim said:
your argument is too general....its not intelligent to generalize about every individual in a country, a racial group, or, in this case, a political party, etc, not all Republicans are far-right, nor are all Democrats far-left.....i remember when Barack Obama used to talk about the "Obamacans," referring to the Republicans who supported him, take care all
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Why Republicans behave and vote the way they do despite Trump being opposite of what republican ideology and values stood for has been researched for many years now. Similarly how the evangelicals overlook a lot of things about Trump that goes against their faith.

You can not compare Democratic Party with Republican Party of today. There no fear in Democratic Party of dissent or differences. Where as in the Republican Party almost every elected representative lives in fear of Trump and MAGA backlash.

Perhaps you have not heard of peole whohave to live in fear of some of the Trump crazies, once Trump publicly attacks them. Whether it is judges or innocent poll workers.

You have to read studies on mob mentality. It explains how when the mob mentality takes over reasonable rational people can do the unthinkable. Republican party of today is displays tribal behavior and identity. It lives in imagined fear of democrats, the liberals, the left, the non-white immigrants, and many other groups.

Calling out behavior of Republican Party as a group is NOT generalizing every individual in the country. That is actually what Trump does and his followers cheer. Calling Republicans party behavior as a cult is not same as saying all republicans are far right. Your logic fails in coming to that conclusion.

There is nothing new about Obama republicans. There use to be Reagan democrats. Infact policies pursued by Clinton were largely Reaganusque.
 
MamboJazz said:
No mentioning of the clogged toilets which actually cover the news since weeks. "Misuse" has played a role according to english language news - in german news the word to find is "sabotage" (T-Shirts and entire toilet paper rolls were found in the clogged system). Sailors want to get home after eternal prolongation of their missions (from mediterranean to Venezuela and back to the red sea), having missed funerals and births of their beloved ones. In german news the word "sabotage" is also mentioned with the fire on board - interesting that american news doesn't mention this.
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I was wondering what lead to clogged toilets. Had not heard about possible sabotage by the crew.

Before and after Venezuelan operations there were wide spread reports about toilette problems and water leakage issues on the carrier. That didn’t had to do with clogging. It was the design flaws and cutting the corners that manifested in the water leakage issues on the carrier at the time.
 
MamboJazz said:
Coming back to polls (title of this thread): I was speechless reading that a recent Reuters poll showed half of US citizens know "little" of the ongoing war in Iran. Here in Germany / europe it's big news each day.
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When I first moved to the USA I was surprised by how ill informed and uninformed the Americans were about world affairs.

Another peculiar thing I found was they were not that informed beyond what happens in the local town or the city.

In comparison I have found people outside the USA more aware of current world afffairs. That includes those whom you would call uneducated and illiterates in poor countries. I couldn’t help chuckle when overhearing commentary and discussions among them (during tea break, etc) about what a USA president should do and their advise.

It also goes to how much international news gets covered in the USA press. I always say that for the Americans the world only exists between the Pacific and Atlantic.

On top of that the USA press tends to coalesce around the flag when USA is at war. This is very different than those used to BBC and coverage of international events that isn’t as pro-home country as seen in the USA. Another example is Olympics coverage. The USA broadcasted hardly ever covered sports in which an American wasn’t among top three. You wouldn’t know the World Cup soccer was going on. Over the years the coverage of World Cup soccer has improved leaps and bounds.

Suffice to say till the turn on the century Americans were very
 
MamboJazz said:
Coming back to polls (title of this thread): I was speechless reading that a recent Reuters poll showed half of US citizens know "little" of the ongoing war in Iran.
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80%+ of Americans could not point out where Iran is on a map. If they were around in 2003, they might remember George W Bush calling Iran part of the axis of evil, so those people might remember a few things they heard about Iran.

That said, I heard a podcast today where the Iran expert of the International Crisis Group was interviewed.
He stated that the conflict between the US and Iran has gone through so many miscalculations and failures in recent years. In 2002 when the US invaded Afghanistan, it was Iran that provided the US with critical intelligence. Iran and the Taliban were and still are enemies. The Iranian general who provided that info to the US was assassinated by the US during the first Trump admin.

The podcast compared another "evil empire", North Korea, with Iran. North Korea has fared better in dealings with the US even though NK's dealings with their Asian neighbors are just as hazardous as are those dealing by Iran with its neighbors.
 
bailar y tocar said:
The podcast compared another "evil empire", North Korea, with Iran. North Korea has fared better in dealings with the US even though NK's dealings with their Asian neighbors are just as hazardous as are those dealing by Iran with its neighbors.
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difference is North Korea managed to develop nukes. USA couldn’t stop it.

Iran didn’t had an equivalent of China has a benefactor. Also the clerical regime unnecessarily developed, nurtured, and encouraged enmity with Israel, a state with whom it share no border. Strategically there was no need for Iran to have enmity with Israel. The Iranian mullahs real adversary and competition was with Sunni monarchists rulers of the gulf. Instead of lip service adversarial relations with Israel, the regime (stupidly I should say) wanted to take on Israel, USA, and Gulf nations at the same time. It shows in the current conflict how that is playing out.
 
Offbeat said:
Republican Party is like a cult. If you read cult history and psyche, you will see the fallers willing to follow leaders into death. Against all rational arguments.
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Offbeat said:
Why Republicans behave and vote the way they do despite Trump being opposite of what republican ideology and values stood for has been researched for many years now. Similarly how the evangelicals overlook a lot of things about Trump that goes against their faith.

You can not compare Democratic Party with Republican Party of today. There no fear in Democratic Party of dissent or differences. Where as in the Republican Party almost every elected representative lives in fear of Trump and MAGA backlash.

Perhaps you have not heard of peole whohave to live in fear of some of the Trump crazies, once Trump publicly attacks them. Whether it is judges or innocent poll workers.

You have to read studies on mob mentality. It explains how when the mob mentality takes over reasonable rational people can do the unthinkable. Republican party of today is displays tribal behavior and identity. It lives in imagined fear of democrats, the liberals, the left, the non-white immigrants, and many other groups.

Calling out behavior of Republican Party as a group is NOT generalizing every individual in the country. That is actually what Trump does and his followers cheer. Calling Republicans party behavior as a cult is not same as saying all republicans are far right. Your logic fails in coming to that conclusion.

There is nothing new about Obama republicans. There use to be Reagan democrats. Infact policies pursued by Clinton were largely Reaganusque.
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we could say that most of your arguments are personal opinions....i intervened in your comment on the previous page because your personal opinion that "the Republican Party is like a cult" could be offensive to the Republicans reading this discussion thread, and we don't want that to happen, right?... in fact, you have written that opinion not just once, you have written that several times, thats why i intervened....however, i prefer to overlook this situations and ignore, from now on i will leave it to the moderators that read this thread to call attention in the future, and i will never report....as the host of this thread, i will just keep my comments neutral and informative, take care all

Offbeat said:
There is nothing new about Obama republicans. There use to be Reagan democrats. Infact policies pursued by Clinton were largely Reaganusque.
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there is nothing new about the Reagancrats, there used to be FDR republicans, also nothing new :)
 
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CBS News....Nicolás Maduro, the deposed Venezuelan leader, and his wife are appearing in federal court nearly three months after American forces invaded his country and brought him to the U.S. to face narco-terrorism and drug trafficking charges. CBS News New York's Bradley Blackburn reports.

 
here's an interesting video for all the Elvis Presley fans....the other day, i saw this video when Trump visited Graceland, Elvis's home in Memphis, TN, last Monday, when he signed a replica of one of Elvis's guitars, according to the tour guide, everything in the house is original....take care all

 
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as the tour guide said, the guitar Trump signed is a replica of the one Elvis played in his Aloha from Hawaii Concert, a 1969 Gibson Ebony Dove with a custom black finish and a Kempo Karate decal....by the way, the concert was the first global satellite broadcast by a solo performer, reaching an estimated over 1 billion viewers across more than 40 countries

 
the man doesnt even know that he is openly confessing his intention to commit war crimes in the speech

one has to wonder, where are the checks and balances?
is there even any viable opposition in the US?

the stuff they were trying to impeach him on in the last term seems so petty by comparison to what we are seeing him do today.
 
matty said:
the man doesnt even know that he is openly confessing his intention to commit war crimes in the speech

one has to wonder, where are the checks and balances?
is there even any viable opposition in the US?

the stuff they were trying to impeach him on in the last term seems so petty by comparison to what we are seeing him do today.
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Because so many people ate stupid. If one supports him they're either stupid or an @**jole. That's not opinion. It's evidence based.
 
Europe up for policing Hormuz — but only if the fighting stops

Donald Trump’s demands for NATO allies to “take the lead” on Hormuz loom over 41-nation call organized by the U.K.

LONDON — European leaders steered well clear of hard military promises to solve the Strait of Hormuz crisis Thursday — despite Donald Trump ramping up his calls for them to do exactly that.

The virtual meeting came days after the U.S. president called for NATO countries to “take the lead” and send warships into the Strait, whose retaliatory blockage by Iran has set off a global energy crisis. Trump doubled down Wednesday night, telling POLITICO: “They gotta get guts and go in.”

On a separate trip to South Korea, French President Emmanuel Macron went further, warning that a military operation to liberate the Strait of Hormuz would be “unrealistic.” “It is unrealistic because it would take an inordinate amount of time and would expose anyone crossing the Strait to coastal threats from the [Iranian] Revolutionary Guards, who possess significant resources, as well as ballistic missiles, [plus] a host of other risks.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-up-policing-hormuz-strait-only-fighting-stops/
 
Trump obviously wants them to go to hormuz so that he can back out and say it's their problem now Anyone can see that. They would be fools to take the bait
 
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