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Your choice for good dancing then was to either find a good dancer on other sections of the floor.

This shouldn't be a problem to find good dancers on other parts of the floor. A good event will have good dancers spread out everywhere.

I am trying to visualize how anyone can record in a crowded dance space. It usually doesn't happen. And people who are standing in the middle of the dance floor recording videos are just as bad as the big professional videographers.
 
Speaking of videographers , Super Mario has been outspoken lately on the impact of all the filming on social dancing and has said it's one reason he doesn't do congresses much anymore:
When he first put out his little video on cutting back, the only reasons he mentioned were his fear of flying, the increasing hassle at airports and wanting to spend more time on London school. There was nothing there about any issues with filming.
 
When he first put out his little video on cutting back, the only reasons he mentioned were his fear of flying, the increasing hassle at airports and wanting to spend more time on London school. There was nothing there about any issues with filming.

There can be more than one reason. I took the filming as a reason to not enjoy social dancing at festivals. He could still go and teach without social dancing. So reasonable to assume among primary reasons is what you stated above. The secondary reason or one of them, is not enjoying social dancing due to filming.
 
This shouldn't be a problem to find good dancers on other parts of the floor. A good event will have good dancers spread out everywhere.

I am trying to visualize how anyone can record in a

There are fewer good dancers on back half of the floor. It also depends which direction they walk towards after the dance. Good dancers were not uniformly distributed around the floor.

If there was a good follower in other areas you had to contend with several guys jumping to ask her as soon as the song was over. So if you wanted to get good danced by asking randomly the best spots were the one where lot of filming was going on. The front one-third of the dance area.
 
I have never been to an event where phones got in the way of the dancing. I hardly ever notice camera phones. The only time I notice video capture is when the hired videographers are looking to film artists, which is easy to avoid.
Me the same. Maybe there is a culture difference between europe salsa and bay area salsa with all its techies?
 
The younger generations are using social media a lot more and are amassing followers at an alarming rate. It's actually not so bad in Salsa. I find Bachata is way worse. There are so many wannabe artists in the Bachata world.
Even the young salseros like Jacopo&Linda or Samuel&Lisa have only around 10k followers on insta, while bachata couples have > 100k. Salseros are not very active with it and the scene is also not so interested in it. Bachata and WCS are very much instagram dances, for good or for worse (they also attract non-dancers to watch or even follow them, while this hardly will happen with salsa).
 
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Even the young salseros like Jacopo&Linda or Samuel&Lisa have only around 10k followers on insta, while bachata couples have > 100k. Salseros are not very active with it and the scene is also not so interested in it. Bachata and WCS are very much instagram dances, for good or for worse (they also attract non-dancers to watch or even follow them, while this hardly will happen with salsa).


It’s easy to rally fans to your cause when your IG is filled with pretty young things dancing in skimpy outfits doing a new age, hyper glamorized version of the Lambada.

But something tells me this IG fame isn’t real and is more like “getting people to sign your school yearbook” where they acknowledge your existence in the moment but it’s a one and done type deal.

These Bachata fans remind of me K-Pop fans. There was a time (not sure if it’s still going on) where there were seemingly more K-Pop fans outside of Korea than inside Korea. People just latched on the fame and popularity of another culture’s crappy pop song and dance (ie. Spain with Bachata Sensual) because it was catchy and trendy.

Do all these people who flock to Bachata festivals actively seek out dances with these no name Bachata dance couples?

In comparison, Frankie Martinez has 20k followers on IG but he is one of the most well known Salsa personalities in the world. He doesn’t need IG since he pre-dates it.
 
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A cell phone restriction system like this would be great for dance events.


Speaking of videographers , Super Mario has been outspoken lately on the impact of all the filming on social dancing and has said it's one reason he doesn't do congresses much anymore:


Sparked interesting debate. Gotta say I agree, mostly. I mean it's nice to have momentos but also it does make social dance feel like a performance and I can see why pros especially may feel reluctant. The Instagram poll ATM is very strongly leaning to anti social media, whether this is a sign of a wider backlash brewing or not I don't know.

On my wider scene, I noticed workshops and bootcamps (mostly bachata & zouk) are using an opportunity to be professionally filmed as a selling point. But the demographics for those dances skew much younger than salsa.
 
I was talking only about the festival.

Video shooting at scale seen, got popularized from Europe :)
I have never noticed larger smartphone filming at EU festivals.

People start filming when they think it's something important. Some unknown dancers are not important. But you can be sure that if you would die on the street somebody will film you, as disgusting as it sounds. Many people don't even understand the problem. They would claim "It's an automatic reaction, I didn't think about it, I'm not responsible for my arm doing this."
 
A cell phone restriction system like this would be great for dance events.

At music festivals or dance festivals do the pouches stay with you?

It is a logistical nightmare to collect and distribute them. What if you want to make an emergency call. A lot of people pay with cell phones.

At the dance festivals only a few are recording or fiddling with their phones. The rest usually never touch it. Recording a rights protected comedy show or music concert is different. People can carry discreet non-phone cameras to record if they really want to.
 
I have never noticed larger smartphone filming at EU festivals.
At SF SBK, my impression was many of these friends recording friends were out of towners. It must be their first festival or only festival of the year. Unlike Europe, in the USA for most people traveling to festivals is one off event. If repeated they might do it once in two years or so.
 
It is a logistical nightmare to collect and distribute them

I'm not sure how many dancers would like to have their phones locked away. Just to stop recording? Which I still don't think is a big deal as I hardly see people taking their phones out during Salsa events, and if they are, it isn't for recording. More often people are using phones when they are sitting and scrolling to pass the time.
 
I have never noticed larger smartphone filming at EU festivals.
I certainly have. The worst offenders coming to mind are Berlin last year where I saw numerous lines of girls for 'celeb' leads where girls either had a friend waiting with them to record them or they'd ask the next in line (this year was actually also pretty bad in some corners, now that I think of it. You'd always walk into somebody's recording). Rome (Mambo Italiano) was also pretty bad in that regards: there was somebody filming something everywhere where you went pretty much at all times.
 
May be the festivals should have a designated area - if you want to be filmed, dance here. The rest who want to dance can stay away. Send all the celebrities to dance in designated area :D
 
I certainly have. The worst offenders coming to mind are Berlin last year where I saw numerous lines of girls for 'celeb' leads where girls either had a friend waiting with them to record them or they'd ask the next in line (this year was actually also pretty bad in some corners, now that I think of it. You'd always walk into somebody's recording). Rome (Mambo Italiano) was also pretty bad in that regards: there was somebody filming something everywhere where you went pretty much at all times.
Ok, then celebs make the difference. At Stuttgart and Geneva festival there were no celebs, therefore no filming. But even at Dancehouse events or Magic I don't remember excessive filming nor long lines of girls waiting. A female friend of mine danced with Terry in Paris and I didn't film her because she hadn't asked for that. I don't see this excessive filming, but ok maybe at other festivals that might happen.
 
I'm not sure how many dancers would like to have their phones locked away. Just to stop recording? Which I still don't think is a big deal as I hardly see people taking their phones out during Salsa events, and if they are, it isn't for recording. More often people are using phones when they are sitting and scrolling to pass the time.
I often take out my phone to read the notice about those news moves I wanted to lead but have forgotten entering the venue. People might think I'm checking my messages, indeed I'm just struggling with my memory as most leads do.
 
But even at Dancehouse events or Magic I don't remember excessive filming nor long lines of girls waiting

I remember seeing long lines of people waiting but not so many cameras like you see at a music concert.

I think this is event specific. I don't want to sound like an elitist snob, but how many people complaining about cameras are beginners? Most of my friends want to be filmed and even those who don't say it, still want to be recorded lol.

But if you're attending a Congress and there are lots of people complaining about cameras, then that's very dependent on the level of the event IMO. Events with many beginners and many Stars presents a very weird dichotomy. It often means there will be lots of cameras but also lots of people who don't want to be seen. And lots of people who have no idea how to film their friends, often positioning themselves in a way that is intrusive to the other dancers.

But at a high level social dancing event like Back2Mambo, I'm sure most people are okay with being filmed. Everyone wants to be seen!

If you are the one recording, all I ask is that you do it from the sidelines and not be a pylon on the dance floor. Other than that, it's fair game.
 
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May be the festivals should have a designated area - if you want to be filmed, dance here. The rest who want to dance can stay away. Send all the celebrities to dance in designated area :D
That would be a good start. I think I might like specific 'filming hours' even more :)
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But at a high level social dancing event like Back2Mambo, I'm sure most people are okay with being filmed. Everyone wants to be seen!

If you are the one recording, all I ask is that you do it from the sidelines. Other than that, it's fair game.
I strongly disagree. I know plenty of people with 10+ more years of salsa experience who don't like what the recording culture is doing to the social scene. It's not about minding to be in a video per se for most, it's rather about the changed dynamics of the dance, about people oftentimes not dancing with each other as much as with the camera, the perceived necessity to dance ever flashier, even some 'aggressiveness' sometimes. So many of the things Mario mentioned in that video from Berlin, essentially... Also the cliquishness this phenomenon produces: you'll notice there're always certain pairings being filmed of a technically rather small group of regular congress goers. That increases the likelihood of these people dancing among each other most of the time, as this has obviously produced good results in the past and one would want to recreate 'good' results, right? In fact, the likelihood of me as a follower being rejected by a lead who doesn't know me in a recording-heavy setting is much higher than in a less social-media driven one. And it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the level. In fact, the average level of leads was considerably lower in Mambo Italiano than in Amsterdam and I don't think I received any rejections in A-Dam, but quite a few in Rome.
So, would I have liked a video of that dance where Adolfo and Juan Matos took turns leading me maaaany years ago? No, honestly, not really. What matters for me is how the moment felt and that's in my memory only and will stay there, ready for me to recall whenever i feel like it. I don't need video evidence of it.
 
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