I think the guy knows what he likes and he isn't crazy about the vibe. Don't think it has to do with seeing other people that enjoy that kinda vibe. He's the only person that I heard actually voice that sentiment.
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I think the guy knows what he likes and he isn't crazy about the vibe. Don't think it has to do with seeing other people that enjoy that kinda vibe. He's the only person that I heard actually voice that sentiment.
I see nothing college type there, I'd guess average age of people I saw in the video would be between 40 and 50.
Except party end time.
I like no shows and 100% salsa.
Just passing along what someone said. He is the only person I heard express that sentiment. Everyone else raved about Rave
Why post about one outlier if everyone else raved
it is just dancing not aircraft safety 
Why post about one outlier if everyone else raved
Because it was a different take. Perhaps there are others that feel the same way? Don't know. Didn't think it was a big deal.
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Son Montuno
Question to people posting comments about these two events that are on the same weekend in Spain.
Madrid and Barcelona are at least 2.5 hours apart (by high speed rail) if the event destination were to be in the city center (which apparently they are not).
So, are events within 3-4 hours of real travel time between them really in competition? Are the respective metros not large enough to support an event on their own? Do they need to have 100s of visitors to make it work?
Also, if an event is a first-time edition and they are advertising many stars.... could be wishful thinking. The stars may not show if they think they will not be paid.
Madrid and Barcelona are at least 2.5 hours apart (by high speed rail) if the event destination were to be in the city center (which apparently they are not).
So, are events within 3-4 hours of real travel time between them really in competition? Are the respective metros not large enough to support an event on their own? Do they need to have 100s of visitors to make it work?
Also, if an event is a first-time edition and they are advertising many stars.... could be wishful thinking. The stars may not show if they think they will not be paid.
Don't think it's as much about competition as it is capturing a larger audience potentially if the event was before or after salsarave since salsarave is more established and expected to have a sizable attendance. Maybe even offering a discount to people that attend Rave.
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Son
Goods points. Also, if the Barcelona event is being organized by Catalans, they could give a rats ass about what the "Spaniards" are doing in Madrid.
First time editions are usually rough attendance wise.
Somehow I doubt an event with so many stars is going to happen more than once. Could be a 'catch lightning in a bottle' type situation.
Yes, Madrid with its 4 million people should be large enough to support the event. The spanish usually are short of money (high unemployment and low pay), so most from Madrid couldn't afford paying hotels at SalsaRave anyway, they would prefer the local event by far.
Last year at SalsaRave the music was so loud that I could not hear much what people spoke, but if so I hardly heard spanish spoken. I met people from all over europe, but not from Spain. I repeat: the spanish mostly don't have the 400 euros to spend for a dance weekend away from home. The only spanish I meet at festivals are the artists - unfortunately, because I like the spanish people.
So doing both events is just a question for richer people, not for the spanish dancers.
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Son
I am not exactly sure why so many spend so much time worrying about the promoters' money here, to be honest. I mean, if it's just for conversation's sake, sure, why not and I am sure not intending to police topics. But does it really make any sense to begin with? From what I understand two dancers are behind the Madrid event: Fadi and Ronier (at least on Instagram it says "by..." and these two names are listed). I would kind of assume they know more or less what they're doing, I also assume everybody advertised will show up. Well, if not, THEN we have something to talk about. For now all those speculations about what might or might not happen, how much advertising they did, how silly they were planning it like that in the first place, it all looks a little unserious, tbh. Moreover, how much buzz something is producing on social media (luckily!) isn't always a perfect indicator of how many people will ultimately show up. If Fadi spent the last year heavily advertising his event in each and every workshop he taught, my guess is, he might have mobilised big enough of a crowd. Or not. It's his business decision, as a potential participant I'd just be grateful to see all those people in one place. Hell, Franklin, Felipe Polanco, and Jhesus Aponte, among many others?!? I'd be in in a heartbeat if only I could!... I, for my part, wish this event the best of success and will be slightly depressed sitting at home this weekend
I agree with mostly what you said. It is a situation like if the tree fell in the forest and no one heard, did it really fallI am not exactly sure why so many spend so much time worrying about the promoters' money here, to be honest. I mean, if it's just for conversation's sake, sure, why not and I am sure not intending to police topics. But does it really make any sense to begin with? From what I understand two dancers are behind the Madrid event: Fadi and Ronier (at least on Instagram it says "by..." and these two names are listed). I would kind of assume they know more or less what they're doing, I also assume everybody advertised will show up. Well, if not, THEN we have something to talk about. For now all those speculations about what might or might not happen, how much advertising they did, how silly they were planning it like that in the first place, it all looks a little unserious, tbh. Moreover, how much buzz something is producing on social media (luckily!) isn't always a perfect indicator of how many people will ultimately show up. If Fadi spent the last year heavily advertising his event in each and every workshop he taught, my guess is, he might have mobilised big enough of a crowd. Or not. It's his business decision, as a potential participant I'd just be grateful to see all those people in one place. Hell, Franklin, Felipe Polanco, and Jhesus Aponte, among many others?!? I'd be in in a heartbeat if only I could!... I, for my part, wish this event the best of success and will be slightly depressed sitting at home this weekend
I am guessing people are puzzled because the word of mouth is another way you would expect to hear about an event like this. It has a spectacular line up. Which makes it more intriguing. That kind of line up would generate buzz whether organizers try or not.
Yep. I find it extremely odd that I haven’t heard of this event either from social networks or from friends.
I mean, this event isn’t even being promoted by Salsa Spain (a popular Fb page). Instead, they are promoting some On1 festival in Madrid but nothing about Legends of Salsa.
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Son
But don't we know by now that salsa politics are extremely complicated, who promotes whom and why cannot possibly be disentangled by any sane person ever, and basically, everybody with any type of skin in the game hates everybody else of a similar calibre?
If the sentiment is though "it would be a pity if such a grand event failed because of insufficient advertising efforts" I totally agree, of course. I'd much rather have them do a second edition next year with a similarly outlandish line-up when I can hopefully join in on the fun.But don't we know by now that salsa politics are extremely complicated, who promotes whom and why cannot possibly be disentangled by any sane person ever, and basically, everybody with any type of skin in the game hates everybody else of a similar calibre?
Knowing a bit of the inside game and several organizers, they all try to play nice with each other on the surface. They will privately talk negative and bad about someone behind the back but for the business/financial reasons will humor the same person publicly. Given how small the salsa festival/event world is (all organizers and celebrities know each other), no one wants to burn the bridges.
It is rare though that one organizer will try to sabotage another’s event. No matter how much mutual dislike is, I scratch your back, you scratch mine is the mentality that wins out.
Outlandish?
it would be hard to replicate. But someone needs to be there this year to report back here. 
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Son
Agree on almost everything in the first part, with the minuscule addition of yes, I've seen same people who play nice on the outside still outright sabotage other people's events, knowing full well they themselves will also lose money as a result. Just because they can.Knowing a bit of the inside game and several organizers, they all try to play nice with each other on the surface. [...]
Outlandish?
As far as the last part is concerned: I'd happily sacrifice myself for the community's sake, any volunteer Great Danes sitters willing to come to Germany here?
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Son
Oh, and btw., with all this Spain drama, are we not talking this year about how much we disliked the Berlin congress at all? What happened to the good old tradition?!? I'll go first, if nobody else wants to
I surprisingly didn't hate it at all. Go figure... This year I felt the music was much better than usually, at least most of the time. Kinda enjoyed the female DJ part.
Oddly enough, I think the concept of those much shorter night parties is actually a step in the right direction. Now, I did totally suffer from that change, because I still never managed to arrive before 12, which left me with only 1-2- hours of social dancing. But honestly, maybe that's a good amount for me for that festival and the secret recipe behind not hating everything like I usually do. The downsides still remain the same (except for music, as already mentioned): I don't enjoy the location, the floor is either super crowded and slippery (wood) or still too crowded and sticky (concrete), with me preferring the second one. Water is waaaaay too expensive for how hot the location is and how much you'd technically need to drink (€3.50 for 0.5l), and, most importantly, it's not really a great place for a follow: there are waaaay too many of us and the level of followers appeared quite high to me while the anyway relatively sparse leads are kinda meh on average. Will I go again next year? Who knows, maybe... likely... probably.... Will I still ***** about it? I do like me some traditions
I surprisingly didn't hate it at all. Go figure... This year I felt the music was much better than usually, at least most of the time. Kinda enjoyed the female DJ part.
Oddly enough, I think the concept of those much shorter night parties is actually a step in the right direction. Now, I did totally suffer from that change, because I still never managed to arrive before 12, which left me with only 1-2- hours of social dancing. But honestly, maybe that's a good amount for me for that festival and the secret recipe behind not hating everything like I usually do. The downsides still remain the same (except for music, as already mentioned): I don't enjoy the location, the floor is either super crowded and slippery (wood) or still too crowded and sticky (concrete), with me preferring the second one. Water is waaaaay too expensive for how hot the location is and how much you'd technically need to drink (€3.50 for 0.5l), and, most importantly, it's not really a great place for a follow: there are waaaay too many of us and the level of followers appeared quite high to me while the anyway relatively sparse leads are kinda meh on average. Will I go again next year? Who knows, maybe... likely... probably.... Will I still ***** about it? I do like me some traditions
Geneva mambo was the same weekend as Berlin, and for me it was clear I preferred going to Geneva. But next year I could fancy going to Berlin for the first time, as Geneva will be one weekend earlier than Berlin. I mean until now I never wrote a bad review about a festival, my talent for complaining is wasted. So going to Berlin next year might give me a chance to complain a bit, maybe I will take that chance - 3,50 euro for 0.5 l water is a good start.are we not talking this year about how much we disliked the Berlin congress at all? What happened to the good old tradition?!? I'll go first, if nobody else wants to
I surprisingly didn't hate it at all. Go figure... This year I felt the music was much better than usually, at least most of the time. Kinda enjoyed the female DJ part.
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Son Montuno
If an event is trying to make money by selling water, they are likely smart enough to shut off the cold-water taps. Drinking hot water does not quench thirst very well.