African-American Jazz Helped Create the Foundation of Salsa Music
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Richie Blondet
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That's the homie "Marine Boy" [Willie Estrada] conducting the interview. Check out his book "The Dancing Gangsters: Rise of the Latin Hustle."
I would have never thought that Cholly Rock danced the Latin Hustle, but it makes sense now because GM Caz and others have indicated that the early Bboys mostly stopped so they could dance more with girls. Some of my friends used to do the Latin Hustle back in the day. Cholly's comments were the first time I heard someone actually compare the Black Hustle and Latin Hustle, who is a dancer.
The general comments in the videos of that channel about the Latin Hustle leading to the main stream Hustle were also interesting. I knew everyone was a gangster because the people in my family were gangsters but I only remember them dancing Mambo. Then later on, some people in my immediate family were going to clubs like the Loft in downtown Manhattan. I was too young at the time lol.
Also interesting that Boricuas were changing the way Bboying was being done and also creating the Latin Hustle, all at a time when people were also dancing Mambo/Salsa.
I have to do some research on the Black Hustle because I only vaguely remember it. I think it kind of died out when people started doing the Freak Dance and some of the others.
This is actually a very nice song. Would be cool to hear from Edward Allen Drennen about what inspired the song and how things were back then from his perspective.
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Richie Blondet
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The way Willie expressed it to me the terms "Black" or "Latin" Hustle did not exist. It was just "Hustle." His generation was into Rocking. And, in a pursuit to express new moves, the moves associated with the more famous "Hustle" were developed. The term "Latin hustle" came later.
Richie Blondet
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Wow. This recording is news to me. Eddie Drennon is a long time violinist in the charanga scene.
Observer(JB)
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Hi, Richie. Please see the following post I made regarding Latin Hustle and NY-style Salsa. I would really appreciate your feedback. The post can be found here:
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The subject of On2 and Latin Hustle has been discussed a lot on these forums. I initially thought that Latin Hustle turns were incorporated into Salsa dancing. I believed that this was mainly so that Salsa dancing could be competitive with Hustle dancing which had become extremely popular. In...
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Exactly and this was released in 75.
Incredible. This was uploaded today by WBLS. Pebblee Poo talks about her beginnings with DJ Smokey and how she became a BGirl for Smokey in 1972. She also talks about the songs he used to play like Apache. She also talks about many of the different things Smokey used to do. This was before Cool Herc and she talks about this. She went on to be a well known MC.
Richie Blondet
Son Montuno
Damn! I don't remember her at all. I DO remember the Boogie Boys and their anthem "Flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Girlz." (During the "Dear Yvette" era). But I'm just now discovering there was a response diss track. As best as my memory serves me at least.
Yeah, A Fly Girl was huge back in the day. As far as Pebblee Poo and her timeline, she later became an MC for Kool Herc so she would be very familiar with him after DJ Smokey. As far as studio recordings, she was also down with the Masterdon Committee. They made a single on Enjoy records called “Funkbox Party” in 1983. That single was a hit in New York all winter. It was later remade by Master P where the hook was “Make them say ughh”.
The record label says 1982. So it actually may have come out at the end of 1982 and rocked the winter of 1983. I used to have this record when I collected vinyl.
1derpalm
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When I here her name I o ly think of "Shy guy. Shy guy. Shy guy. Shy guy. Shyyyyyyyyy guy. Shy guy.'
1derpalm
Son Montuno
I've already uploaded numerous examples of so-called Disco songs that were used by Hip Hop DJs in the 70's to refute this notion that Hip Hop DJs played non-Disco or music that would be different than what other DJs like Flowers, Mario, Nu Sounds, Pete DJ Jones and numerous others played.
This video was uploaded today. I know you respect GM Caz because you've mentioned him numerous times to lend credibility to the narrative you believe. In this video, GM Caz mentions the song he was playing as a DJ when the blackout occurred in 1977. It was a Disco song, of course. Again, this is a song that would be played by any DJ at a Manhattan club that wasn't a Hip Hop club or other DJs that played what everyone else was playing.
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Too funny, they even got my boy Bobbito DJing in this video lol
This is from D.C. LaRue, himself: "Most of the Hip Hop DJs that appear in this video are the very same DJs who, back in the day, discovered my 1977 "INDISCREET" 12" 45RPM remix and played it and scratched it until it was to become considered one of the very first "Hip Hop Break" recordings.....ever!!! If it's thought of a classic it's because of them."
This is from D.C. LaRue, himself: "Most of the Hip Hop DJs that appear in this video are the very same DJs who, back in the day, discovered my 1977 "INDISCREET" 12" 45RPM remix and played it and scratched it until it was to become considered one of the very first "Hip Hop Break" recordings.....ever!!! If it's thought of a classic it's because of them."
Richie Blondet
Son Montuno
For the record the "narrative" I believe, and perhaps did not convey it as clearly as he did, is the narrative that "Crazy Legs" conveys in his DrinkChamps interview with N.O.R.E. That while Herc was not the "first" DJ in a proto-HipHop context he was far more influential to the generation that emerges from '75 going forward. And despite it now being unpopular the fact of the matter is that, for all intents and purposes, Afrika Bambataa is essentially the true "godfather" of HipHop culture. If there was ever to be one. Even though Bam acknowledges Herc as such, it was Bam who coins the term "HipHop." Itvwas Bam who designated what the 5 elements of HipHop were. It was Bam who dropped beat boxing from being one of the five elements of HipHop and replaced it with "knowledge." It was Bam who conveyed to the masses not to regard him as any godfather but to acknowledge Herc as such. And everyone everywhere has adhered to it all.
Now as far as HipHop culture diminishing the gang culture or street violence in NYC that is part of the popular narrative that is a talking point I do not believe because I witnessed that era and both gangs (there was a sudden 'new' wave in 1980 after the film "The Warriors" was released in cinemas) and the territorial street violence was still open for business. Only that in the early '80s the context became about protecting "territory" as it related to the illegal drug trade. In contrast to it formerly being about repping a 'hood, or organizing for protection from an oppressor.
I put Flowers. Disco King Mario, the Ghetto Brothers, etc all in the context of being forerunners within the elements of HipHop. But an entire generation's imagination was not captured and shaped into a HipHop context or mindset because of them. It was the Zulu Nation, Herc, Flash, Grand Wizard Theodore, Casanova Fly (GM Caz), Treacherous Three, DJ Clark Kent, DJ Jazzy Jay and the Cold Crush Brothers. Once "Rapper's Delight" was released that was the birth of the Rap becoming mainstream and, by '82, becoming established as a viable industry.
My post was a response to your post quoted above. I've already provided numerous examples that exemplified that Disco music was part of the foundation of Hip Hop in the 70s. The last video I posted with GM Caz, someone that you've referenced, provided another example of Hip Hop using Disco as a musical element in its development rather than, in your words, a "contrarian response to Disco."
Would be great to deal specifically with this issue at the moment, as I find it easier and more useful to deconstruct these narratives by addressing specific issues individually.
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