What would it take for salsa to have a revival?

It's well known latino youngsters prefer reggaeton over salsa since decades.
But take this: they also started dancing K-Pop in Colombia :(


Fingers crossed some of them find to latin partner dance when they get older.
Looks like that is in Medellin. Salsa is not all that popular in Medellin. They prefer other music there.
Musical preferences in Colombia are very regional.

I believe reggaeton is very popular in Cuba, Puerto Rico for sure and possibly a few other places also. Never heard reggaeton in Cali Colombia, They have their own thing called Salsa Choke.
 
It's well known latino youngsters prefer reggaeton over salsa since decades.
But take this: they also started dancing K-Pop in Colombia :(

A lot of Colombians are into k pop. Mostly young girls. In fact many of them learn Korean. As BYT says though, music preferences are v regional in Colombia. K pop is not a big thing in Cali (and probably not on the Caribbean coast either).
 
Looks like that is in Medellin. Salsa is not all that popular in Medellin. They prefer other music there.
Musical preferences in Colombia are very regional.

I believe reggaeton is very popular in Cuba, Puerto Rico for sure and possibly a few other places also. Never heard reggaeton in Cali Colombia, They have their own thing called Salsa Choke.

Medellín has been described as the reggaeton capital of the world. However for dancing salsa with trained dancers it's probably better than Cali, where one never knows where the trained dancers might be as there are so many salsa venues. Also Medellín has a lot of good salsa gigs. Artists from NY, PR or Cuba who I don't see appearing in Cali.

I have heard reggaeton plenty of times in Cali.
 
I think there was a lot more powder back in the day than there is today.

Acknowledged. Also here in my area I haven't seen someone putting powder on the floor for years. That was popular ten years ago. Seems it was more fashion than proved useful. Like the nose-stripes soccer players used ten years ago. You may believe in it as long as it's a hype, but finally find out it doesn't help and stop doing it.
 
You might wanna travel more. I went to the On1 salsa festival in Madrid this year and it was strictly salsa. At the same time there was an On2 festival in Italy. I suggest going to these and seeing how you like it. My experience was great but I must say, it is extremely exhausting to hear and dance traditional salsa for hours. Your ears are ringing and feet are in pain much quicker. It was nice to have a small separate room for bachata as it was a nice break to resort to. In fact appreciated bachata even more after realizing it introduced more expression and connection. However I understand your frustration and what really turns me off is the current Kizomba scene.
 
I must say, it is extremely exhausting to hear and dance traditional salsa for hours. Your ears are ringing and feet are in pain much quicker.

Sounds like the DJs don't really know how to use the equipment or the equipment is so bad it's impossible to get a decent sound. As for your feet: maybe dance in a more relaxed style sometimes.

It was nice to have a small separate room for bachata as it was a nice break to resort to. In fact appreciated bachata even more after realizing it introduced more expression and connection.

Being in Spain I imagine the vast majority (or all) of the bachata was of the sensual variety. Expression and connection are not the words that come to my mind.
 
As a person of Korean heritage, its interesting to see the rise of Korean cultural soft-power. Only wish it happened 20 years earlier when I was still in school, I could have been the coolest kid on the block! Meanwhile my Spanish speaking skills (toddler level) are probably better than my Korean (gaga-googoo baby level). Very off topic.
 
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My experience was great but I must say, it is extremely exhausting to hear and dance traditional salsa for hours. Your ears are ringing and feet are in pain much quicker.
I have had the opposite experience many times. I could be sleep deprived from dancing at events the previous nights and when salsa ("con golpe") comes on and its top quality back to back - I don't even realize that I am supposed to be tired.
If I were to sit down because the salsa is a romantica or they play a mixed format with other music, then the fatigue sets in and I might as well go to bed.
 
I have had the opposite experience many times. I could be sleep deprived from dancing at events the previous nights and when salsa ("con golpe") comes on and its top quality back to back - I don't even realize that I am supposed to be tired.
If I were to sit down because the salsa is a romantica or they play a mixed format with other music, then the fatigue sets in and I might as well go to bed.
I also feel the same way. I've yet to attend a congress to put my stamina to the test, but I've definitely been to a couple salsa-only events where I have danced every song, non-stop for 3+ hours, outdoors on concrete, and only on my drive back home realized how absolutely beat up I was. I have to make myself mentally check in sometimes because I have definitely approached the point of heat-stroke once or twice dancing outside in the summer.

Anyways regarding salsa-only events like people were saying the scene needs more of, there's one coming up (in Philly) mid/late January. Hopefully its successful, and we can get more stuff like this in the future, since otherwise salsa-only events are very few and far between.
 
If I were to sit down because the salsa is a romantica or they play a mixed format with other music, then the fatigue sets in and I might as well go to bed.

Same for me. Paradoxically when I'm physically tired it's romantica that's killing the night and makes me go home. Good salsa energizes me and works like a painkiller.

I'm ok with romantica somewhere in second hour of the evening.

And we've done an experiment at 3am once. Dura keeps people going. Romantica kills soul. I know it might make little sense if you consider that average tempo is slower, but we actually did that with DJ and couple dozen dancers. Also there is slower salsa dura.
 
And we've done an experiment at 3am once. Dura keeps people going. Romantica kills soul. I know it might make little sense if you consider that average tempo is slower, but we actually did that with DJ and couple dozen dancers. Also there is slower salsa dura.

Ask bachata sensual or zouk dancers this. I think it's just the state of the mind.
 
Why would anyone ask BS or Zouk dancers what they prefer to hear on the Salsa floor?

This is what got Salsa playlists diluted in the first place.

I meant in their own genre, I suppose they probably have upbeat music, upbeat zouk music, upbeat bachata sensual music because a slow mellow playlist kills the floor even though it's the genre's nature.
 
Interesting NYT article about WCS. www.nytimes.com/2024/12/23/arts/dance/west-coast-swing-dance.html

Around where I am, WCS is a far smaller scene than salsa, but I do think the pros for WCS do a much better job (as do BS pros) at promoting and getting interest from the general public thru social media. Which in turn helps with recruiting new dancers into the scene.

The partner connection and musicality as shown in WCS and BS on social media is easier to understand for the average joe vs salsa. Also the music is more similar to what normal people listen to.

Not saying those are necessarily good things in general (in particular regarding music), but specifically in terms of garnering interest from gen pop, those are a plus.
 
I have had the opposite experience many times. I could be sleep deprived from dancing at events the previous nights and when salsa ("con golpe") comes on and its top quality back to back - I don't even realize that I am supposed to be tired.
If I were to sit down because the salsa is a romantica or they play a mixed format with other music, then the fatigue sets in and I might as well go to bed.
I realized a few months ago that I need to do mild cardio exercises so my lung capacity can keep up with what I want to be dancing. I guess I can call this a health benefit of dancing. Is that a selling point?
Probably not interesting to the hard drinkers or the people wanting to hook up for horizontal mambo - everyone else - maybe.
 
Regarding the first video embedded in this NYT article: I don't know how to switch on the sound to it, so without music the beginning looked quite salsa-ish to me, especially where he spins the follower endlessly with Touch'n'Go (the westies call it the "Illusion Turn").

Yes, for non-dancers WCS looks more fascinating than salsa. It's common that they tag their instagram videos with "Random partner, random song" which impresses people a lot and gets many clicks. It's true it's not choreographed, but they know the songs including lyrics by heart and the dancers are super-experienced pros.

Maybe salsa could do the same and tag videos with "Random partner, random song". I am impressed as hell when salsa celebs hit precisely the accents in social dance videos. I was sitting with jaws open when I started watching celeb videos - but then I was already a salsa dancer since many years. I guess a non-dancer would not see the same. One problem is guaguanco songs feel very strange to westerners (and even to most salsa dancers!), while everyone can groove to "Macarena" or Ed Sheeran's "Shape of you".

WCS does a good job by putting partnerwork musicality in the center of the dance, while the salsa scene is just discovering this exists.

Also these WCS competitions give them place to dance alone as a couple and have all the space to do spectacular things. Salsa improvisation competitions hardly exist, and the typical salsa shows are often not interesting enough even to salsa dancers.

The strong side of salsa is the social dancing (including the most clicked videos are from social dance), while all the WCS and BS videos are showing a couple dancing alone. But maybe people also find the thought more appealing to dance in front of spectators and impress them than to dance in a crowd.
 
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Regarding the first video embedded in this NYT article: I don't know how to switch on the sound to it, so without music the beginning looked quite salsa-ish to me, especially where he spins the follower endlessly with Touch'n'Go (the westies call it the "Illusion Turn").

Yes, for non-dancers WCS looks more fascinating than salsa. It's common that they tag their instagram videos with "Random partner, random song" which impresses people a lot and gets many clicks. It's true it's not choreographed, but they know the songs including lyrics by heart and the dancers are super-experienced pros.

Maybe salsa could do the same and tag videos with "Random partner, random song". I am impressed as hell when salsa celebs hit precisely the accents in social dance videos. I was sitting with jaws open when I started watching celeb videos - but then I was already a salsa dancer since many years. I guess a non-dancer would not see the same. One problem is guaguanco songs feel very strange to westerners (and even to most salsa dancers!), while everyone can groove to "Macarena" or Ed Sheeran's "Shape of you".

WCS does a good job by putting partnerwork musicality in the center of the dance, while the salsa scene is just discovering this exists.

Also these WCS competitions give them place to dance alone as a couple and have all the space to do spectacular things. Salsa improvisation competitions hardly exist, and the typical salsa shows are often not interesting enough even to salsa dancers.

The strong side of salsa is the social dancing (including the most clicked videos are from social dance), while all the WCS and BS videos are showing a couple dancing alone. But maybe people also find the thought more appealing to dance in front of spectators and impress them than to dance in a crowd.


The article is behind the paywall. So I can’t read it. Sister forum DF has a lot of good knowledgeable stuff on WCS. While trying to search for alternative sites to read the NYT article I came across Reddit. And this post in Reddit nails it:


I will now read your post :)

Problem I seen often with articles about dancing like tango, salsa, or swing in popular press is that they often disappoint the regulars who pursue them. The authors often are trying to write with masses as the audience. They will quote the performers. This uniformly draws condemnation from the dancers who read the article. Unless author has spent at least 10 years actively dancing in a community, I doubt they can write anything but a more shallow copy. To authors and NYT like editors this is either a human interest story or arts/culture story. It is like they write about a shop based on what’s on its window display, rather than going inside and walking the isles. They will cut out nuances and things that matter to regular dancers because the audience is masses.
 
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