azzey
Son Montuno
LOL!!........
I think the guy is trying to create mystery.. well, hes suceeded.. Its a mystery,why hes wearing them !
It's LA! You need the sunglasses to dull the glare of the paparazzi..
The Definition of Sabor!
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It's LA! You need the sunglasses to dull the glare of the paparazzi..
azzey
Son Montuno
Yus that definitely Cristian's period of novel fashion choices
I can't really get into that clip for a couple of reasons: 1) They are freely dominating as much of the dancefloor as they feel they need and 2)There's no real shading in that dance, it's full powers from start to finish.
(and 3, Cristian looks like an extra from Battlefield Earth or something. ...)
There's plenty of shading in that dance. e.g. 1:10 to 1:24s. You're just not looking for it because you don't like it.
It's definitely NOT full powers for either dancer I assure you. Are you sure you're watching the same video as me?! They're just styling up what are mostly basic turns. CBL, open break, hammerlock, wrap, basket, copa etc. There's only a 2.5 free spin and one tripple spin right at the end. A lot less in terms of moves, turns and spins than you see in most other social dances on YouTube.
Didn't all the actors in Battlefield Earth have long hair (mostly dreadlocks)? I remember I had to sit through that movie at the cinema and thought several times about leaving part way through to get a refund.
azzey
Son Montuno
Yeah and you can see that they are dancing for more than one camera when they pose for a picture at the end.
wildbill20056
Son Montuno
There are minimal periods when it's not going at 100mph, more like tiny interludes rather than actual shading, imo.
I think we would struggle to say that multiple, fast turns are not a feature of this dance. Also we have predominant use of very high tension. I don't believe that the only indicator of energy in a dance is how many turns you're doing
The limitless use of space also indicates putting on a show, with requisite showing off, rather than just dancing.But this is all going to come down to personal take. Of course both are excellent dancers, it's just not a dance of theirs I particularly enjoy.
I left after the first 1/3 I think, so perhaps!
Winston
Son
Winston
Son
Sabrosura's first video and also her second of the pachanga lady had sabor. DJ Ara's video I couldn't rate well on sabor, because the camera was shaky and I couldn't see the dancers very well.
But I don't see sabor in the video above. I see high energy indeed, but that is not sabor. I also see lot of skills, a little musicality, I see fun, but just very little sabor. And some of the sabor is more hiphop sabor than latin sabor
If I may try another turn pattern style salsa dance with sabor I would pick this one.
Especially Milton. He's enjoying himself, with at least as much body movements, nice footwork (disclaimer: I'm not an expert, I just like what I see) to the music as turn patterns. Frequently with his eyes even closed and singing along.
He's really immersed or submersed in the music.
Because of this all the musicality of this dance is better. For instance, he doesn't miss a break, while Cristian missed the end of the song for example.
Winston
Son
Yes I noticed that to. She is a performer (a pretty good one too), and that echoes in her social dancing. I think it must be hard for performers to find their sabor, because they are trained to dance without.
azzey
Son Montuno
I can see you're rather bad at estimation so I'll do the calculation for you.
They swapped places roughly 50 times over say a maximum of a 2 metre slot. Often they travelled much less than that, so if sometimes it was longer than 2 metres that more than balances it out.
So 50 x 2 = 100 metres travelled in 2.5 mins.
Which equals 2.4km per hour maximum. Far less than the 100mph you quote.
There are only 4 double turns during the 2.5 mins (and I'm including her free spins in that). The rest are single or 1.5 turns styled up. That's 1 double turn every 37 seconds, which I don't think is "full power".
You would struggle to find other pros doing less on such a high energy song.
That's good because you failed on that point. LOL.I don't believe that the only indicator of energy in a dance is how many turns you're doing
wildbill20056
Son Montuno
I can see you're rather bad at estimation so I'll do the calculation for you.
They swapped places roughly 50 times over say a maximum of a 2 metre slot. Often they travelled much less than that, so if sometimes it was longer than 2 metres that more than balances it out.
So 50 x 2 = 100 metres travelled in 2.5 mins.
Which equals 2.4km per hour maximum. Far less than the 100mph you quote.
I must concede the literal velocity argument!
Perhaps, but again turning isn't the only fruit in the basket. Their huge slot and energetic, to say the least, changing of places etc, is not exactly lacking in impetus.
Splendid, but again I never made specific reference to multiple revolutions. I did specify, however, their huge use of space
But we're not going to agree methinks, it's not in any sense a 'bad' dance, it simply defies me to appreciate its 'sabor.'
???.... I am , by all standards, a " trained " dancer, but why would you believe, that, no matter the style I/we dance , it would exclude sabor ?. What often does fail to happen , is the lack of desire/interest, to change what has become hardwired from previous training, and the lack of immersion in the culture .
And, having trained Profs to world class levels, sabor, is what gives them, from their own expressions, an "identity " .
"sabor" is NOT unique to Salsa..
Winston
Son
Performers can train on their styling and musicality. But that doesn't guarantee sabor.
Ofcourse performers can develop sabor e.i. Frankie (probably always had it) and Milton.
But I think there's also a difference in our definition of sabor. Everyone has flavour. But the purist's definition is that it must be a genuine latin flavour before I would call it sabor.
Hiphop flavour for instance is called swag if I'm correct.
Just as everything you can eat has flavour. Only one taste you may call paprika flavour. If you eat something and it taste like vanilla, you won't say it taste like paprika.
Ofcourse performers can develop sabor e.i. Frankie (probably always had it) and Milton.
But I think there's also a difference in our definition of sabor. Everyone has flavour. But the purist's definition is that it must be a genuine latin flavour before I would call it sabor.
Hiphop flavour for instance is called swag if I'm correct.
Just as everything you can eat has flavour. Only one taste you may call paprika flavour. If you eat something and it taste like vanilla, you won't say it taste like paprika.
Never said it did..
Then by your definition, ONLY latinos are able to aquire it ?... And, what exacttly , is a " purist " ? ( your definition )
then youve been looking in the wrong places .
And again, what makes someone a "purist "?..
Theres not any of me "really " dancing ,a la nite club.. only with students .
In fairness, it depends largely upon your dance venue, and thats not to say, they are not there .
Ive danced in several cities, since back in the UK, and have always found at least a couple of people ,who would fit into any latino club with distinction .They are not in abundance, but they are there .Even had "them" in my classes, from time to time.