Salsa and the Martial Arts

Sabrosura

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A lot of great dancers are also trained in various forms of the martial arts and credit their dance skills to their martial arts training. This interesting article explores the relationship between salsa and the martial arts in more detail.

I had no idea that Bruce Lee was a cha cha champion!! :)

Salsa is the Kung Fu of Dance

http://ilivesalsa.com/blog/salsa-blog-2/kung-fu/salsa-is-the-kung-fu-of-dance

What is Dance? Dance is an art form that refers to the movement of the body in a rhythmic fashion to music. Dancing can be social, ritualistic, spiritual, and expressive in nature.

What are Martial Arts? Martial arts are art forms focusing on the movement of the body as well as conditioning to maximize ability and are often linked with spiritual and ritualistic devotion.

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Over the years, I have noticed a number of students have progressed rapidly, while others seemed to lag behind, playing catch up. At first I assumed these dancers just took it more seriously than the others. It wasn’t till I started befriending these students that a common theme emerged about their history: Martial Arts. Just about every one of the better dancers, at some point, had taken Martial Arts classes. Having a history in Martial Arts myself, it was astounding to finally notice the similarities.

Kung Fu and Salsa are fluid and graceful but full of energy and intensity. Both require focus, understanding of your surroundings, and knowing when to act. But when most people think of Salsa or Kung Fu, an image of high energy, high impact flips, dips, tricks, and spins is what arises. To those who really know either art, they realize it’s not what you see in the movies or on “Dancing With The Stars”. These styles have both active and passive characteristics. The explosive energy of salsa and kung fu is illuminated in its flashiness; something that takes a lot of stamina to execute. These include the more active moves like flips, tricks, and other high energy techniques. Conversely, the martial art Tai Chi is similar to the smoothness possible with salsa. This style identifies with the natural movements of the body.

No one style of salsa (L.A. Style, New York Style, Cuban Style, Texas Style, etc.) is an exact match in either extreme; moreover no dancer is an exact match but rather a coloring of both. On1 L.A. Style Salsa has a distinct high energy flavor; showcasing the fastest, most energetic, most awe inspiring moves. On2 New York Style is characteristically a smooth natural graceful dance. The moves are “flowy” and follow the feel of the music. The moves are deliberate but malleable forming into something new with little effort.

How do they Relate

Together they have very similar attributes. Choreography in dance is equivalent to Forms in martial arts. Both take a systematic approach, exploring the most relevant moves to epitomize the style. Furthermore dance and martial arts are social. In salsa you could call it “social salsa”, “couples dancing” or just “dancing”. In Martial Arts this would be sparring. Leading and following exist in both areas just with different terms. The terms of Social Salsa are that one person is the leader for this song and then we break. In Sparring the leader and follower roles fluctuate between aggressor and defender.

Looking at Influence on Society

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Take a look at pop culture. Martial Arts and Dance have been intertwined for years in some cases centuries. Most recent is the advent of break dancing and hip hop. Originally gaining notoriety in the 70s and 80s the music form nurtured a dance style. But where did these moves come from; what was the inspiration? A particular category of films became every increasingly popular throughout the 70s and that was Kung Fu. Many of the traditional moves of Shaolin Kung Fu that had existed for about 1500 years were adapted and transformed into a new form of self expression. Look at any old Kung Fu movie and guaranteed you’ve probably seen one of the moves on “So You Think You Can Dance”. From the windmill, to the twist, to the aerial, numerous moves have been re-purposed.

Martial Arts and Dance History

Let’s take a further step back; in fact quite a ways back. Some time after the colonization of South America, African slaves developed a martial art system that masqueraded as a dance. This art form is known as Capoeira. Slave masters forbade slaves from practicing martial arts lest they rise up and overtake them. As a result a “dance” was created. Being a dance, music plays a large role for the players (for all intensive purposes, players are “fighters”) in the Roda, basically the ring. The tone, speed, and energy of the music can heighten the players’ interaction.

Now this isn’t just some theory I made up or an exercise in semantics but can be exemplified by the lives of many martial artists/dancers. The most well known Martial Artist and Dancer of all would be Bruce Lee. In 1958 Bruce Lee was the Cha Cha Champion of Hong Kong. If you know anything of his work, you know that he was a premiere martial artist and arguably the best. Another well known actor who dabbled in dance is Jean Claude Van Damme. He came from a ballet background but realized that his abilities could easily be remodeled for the big screen. The remodel was to integrate martial arts.

More than Meets the Eye chechuchooo*

Just as in martial arts, Salsa is more than its flashy reputation. There is a connection with the dance; a way to explore and exemplify life. While much of salsa we see on TV is high energy, high impact flips, dips, and tricks, that is only one area of salsa. The explosive energy of salsa is illuminated in its flashiness; something that takes a lot of practice to make it work. This style can be equated to Kung Fu. Explosive energy, showcasing what the human body can do. On the opposite end of the spectrum, salsa can be more akin to Tai Chi. Methodically placed movements that demonstrate natural and smooth actions. In Salsa as in Kung Fu, there are many styles; L.A. Style, N.Y. Style, Cuban Style, Texas Style, London Style, etc. None of these styles exactly matches high energy versus natural and smooth. Instead they exhibit a coloring of both. On1 L.A. Style Salsa has a distinct high energy flavor; showcasing the fastest, most energetic, most awe-inspiring moves. On2 New York Style is characteristically a smooth, natural, and graceful dance. The moves are “flowy” and follow a natural course; deliberate but malleable forming into something new with little effort.

And now for the money

So you may be asking how does this relate to me and what should I do? Think about what the professionals do both in martial arts and salsa or other forms of dance. They practice, they dance with many people, they find great teachers, they STRETCH which is extremely useful, but most importantly they believe in what they are doing. What does that mean? It’s about state of mind. A martial artist after years of training understands his/her body, knows how to move even the most seldom used muscles, can listen to their body and anticipate reactions but more than that can focus into becoming the supreme definition of a martial artist. A Salsero y Salsera must listen to their bodies and understand how it moves, but you also have to believe in it. Don’t think “Ok now im dancing salsa and salsa is this this this and my teacher said this this this.” Those are good pathways to follow but the destination is of your choosing. Don’t get stuck in the rut of learning one style only. Test yourself with new things then analyze what you like. What is your style of salsa? Is it smooth and sultry? Is it high paced and energetic? Is it somewhere in between? Or have you created something brand new?

*if you couldn’t figure out what “chechuchooo” is, it’s the sound the Transformers make when they transform. Plus that was a quote from Transformers.
 
Definitely an interesting topic. My first Salsa teacher is an avid Aikido practitioner. I recall him saying that his Martial Arts training helped him develop an awareness of his body and how to lead. DJ Ara and other SF members have mentioned that there are indeed several parallels between Salsa and Martial Arts. I was hoping the article would have gone more into the physical, philosophical, and perhaps spiritual similarities between practicing Martial Arts and Salsa. If anything, this writing made me aware of the Texas style of Salsa. What have I been missing! Is this influenced by Country 2-step? Is this style's Sabor BBQ-flavored? Sarcasm aside, it was cool to learn the factoids about Bruce Lee and Van Damme.
 
I was about to say my own martial arts background is limited, but then I hit myself, as I was part of the Scottish student Champion fencing squad during my undergraduate days, and involved with Fencing at a highly competitive level for 5-6 years.

What might be an interesting continuation would be whether different ouvres of the martial arts 'produce' differently 'advantaged' dancers.

For example I look at Fencing, timing is at the heart of any great fencer, as well as balance, and pin point coordination. I've never found a use for a lunge or parry/riposte, but I could see a possible link.

Interesting article certainly :)
 
I was about to say my own martial arts background is limited, but then I hit myself, as I was part of the Scottish student Champion fencing squad during my undergraduate days, and involved with Fencing at a highly competitive level for 5-6 years.

What might be an interesting continuation would be whether different ouvres of the martial arts 'produce' differently 'advantaged' dancers.

For example I look at Fencing, timing is at the heart of any great fencer, as well as balance, and pin point coordination. I've never found a use for a lunge or parry/riposte, but I could see a possible link.

Interesting article certainly :)


I fenced competitively at the collegiate level, too. I've found that my fencing training has been beneficial in helping me understand the mechanics of several concepts like dancing grounded, weight transfers, posture, and being relaxed yet alert. That being said, I would hesitate to put the sport of fencing in the same category as kung fu because it's not a "way of life" in the philosophical or spiritual sense that other disciplines are, and besides, there is little or no application of modern fencing concepts to self defense. It's more of a game of skill.
 
Hmmm, I'm not completely sure. I studied under German sabreurs who really did view it as a lifestyle, complete with initiation scars, and impromptu duels. However certainly there is no deep philosophy attached to modern fencing, and so it departs from the oriental martial arts to a great degree; that said at the highest competitive sporting levels I wonder if there is much philosophy left.

I would suggest that fencing as 'chess with swords' holds many concepts cross transferrable in combat situations, and in reverse I had studied Win-Chun previously and was a notoriously good close parrier with the foil ;)

However yes I think the athletic elements are very transferrable as skills, to dance.
 
my MA background started with judo for 4 years, but i think whats been more applicable to my salsa dancing has been tai chi- which i started a few years before (7 years hand and sword forms, push hands, fighting/self defense applications). it taught me: body/spatial awareness, balance, sticky connections, flow..

and in terms of my personal style of dancing, the sticky connection and flow have been key. I roll my wrist around the follows wrist, slide up/ down arms to get the hold/connection that I'm looking for.
 
I live just a few blocks from Bruce Lee's studio in Seattle. I've read that he was considered a ballroom dancing phenom locally.



I wish Lee had survived to run for Governor of California against Arnold Schwarzenegger - The Dragon vs The Terminator. Seattle's elite like to boast about their connections with Bruce Lee, especially Cheryl Chow. (Lee worked for her mother for a while and even stayed at her home.)

But I've read that the feelings weren't mutual; Lee allegedly lost his temper and attacked one of Chow's relatives.

From cha-cha-cha to Seattle's sleazy underworld, I think there's a huge part of the Bruce Lee story that isn't well known.
 
Hmmm, I'm not completely sure. I studied under German sabreurs who really did view it as a lifestyle, complete with initiation scars, and impromptu duels.

I've heard similar stories about old school Hungarian sabre fencers! My first coach trained with a guy like that.


However yes I think the athletic elements are very transferrable as skills, to dance.
I agree.

I forgot to mention that one of my coaches incorporated Pilates exercises and Alexander Technique theory in our training program. So I'm pretty sure that he also recognized commonalities between dance and sport.
 
I had dabbled in martial arts before my involvement with salsa - Shotokan Karate, Wu Shu Kwan and Wing Chun. However, my serious kung fu journey began 14 months after I moved to Rio and that was in the form of Wing Chun, which I still continue practicing on my own (nowadays every day) and with my master (whenever I visit Rio). I continued my kung fu training after I left Rio for London, but in another style - I still train that one on my own (every day), as well.

There are many parallels between Kung fu and Salsa, but to be honest, kung fu training is infinitely richer and much, much more complicated than salsa dancing, and to confuse the matter there are hundreds of styles and sub styles of kung fu, which encompass the low level and high level styles.

Another major difference is that to take your salsa to a higher level you will need to take your musical listening abilities to another level. In contrast, to make your kung fu good, you need to take your listening to silence to another level! ;) Those who have practiced the real thing will know what I am talking about. ;)

The similarities include:

1. Most schools out there will not teach you the real art, even less so as far as kung fu is concerned - I am talking about a 1% ratio for kung fu.

2. Many practioners of both arts, especially the "professionals" get nervous every time an authentic school, style or teacher is mentioned, because some see that as a threat to their bread and butter.

3. The concept of "less is more" is valid for both disciplines, but rather misunderstood, especially in kung fu training, particularly when we talk about the Internal high level Styles.

4. They both have a performanc aspect. Modern Wu Shu is the ultimate performance manifestation of kung fu. However, any traditional kung fu practioner will tell you that Modern Wu Shu lacks effective combat training and the fundamental internal training, even if I have no doubt that some Wu Shu practioners may undertake them on their own. The performance aspect, including the stuff one sees in movies has been a source of confusion for many kung fu fans and even practitioners.

By the same token, many salsa dancers nowadays are confused as regards where their salsa performance stops and their one to one application begins.

5. There is the concept of "listening", in kung fu where by touching or maintaining physical contact with the opponent one is able to feel his next move, thus is able to jam or hit them first. This "listening" ability is a lot more fine tuned in kung fu than in other martial arts which also use it. In salsa dancing one has to "listen" through touch as well. The follower has feel and understand the intention of the leader. And of course, the leader will need to understand the follower as well, not least when the follower is uncomfortable or confused with his lids.

6. As physcial arts, both need a certain degree of fitness and co-ordination in movement/weigh transfer. Of course, this goes a lot further in kung fu than it does in salsa dancing.

7. As in dancing, some kung fu styles take the strategy of moving with your opponent, as opposed to against them!

Other stuff has been mentioned already. :)
 
@ Sabrosura.....Do you practice any martial arts?

Also, it would be good for all the salseros here who practice or have practiced martial arts to let us know the specifics in this thread. :)
 
@ Sabrosura.....Do you practice any martial arts?

Also, it would be good for all the salseros here who practice or have practiced martial arts to let us know the specifics in this thread. :)

I did 6 months of fencing when I was about 10 (not a martial art, I know), and took a couple of Wing Chun and Kung Fu classes this year but decided the time commitment I would need to make to learn either of them properly would be too much.

My favorite dancer, Frankie Martinez, has a 4th degree black belt in Shotokan Karate.
 
One difference: being capable of hospitalising someone with ease through martial arts is a sign of proficiency, but not such a good sign for someone dancing salsa.
 
Definitely an interesting topic. My first Salsa teacher is an avid Aikido practitioner. I recall him saying that his Martial Arts training helped him develop an awareness of his body and how to lead. <snip>

I did it the other way around.

I was dancing for over 5 years, then started Aikido. I can see how anybody with that background would grow quickly as a dancer. It's about timing and body awareness. They are also very disciplined compared to most dancers. (Actually compared to almost any other hobby type activity.)

My dance skills (especially the jazz classes) paid off and made it easier (NOT easy) to hit the positions necessary to grow and make progress.

One thing about martial arts. When we practice, it's serious practice. At some point someone is going to test you by trying to punch you in the face or otherwise attack you. They may be your friend during practice time, but when it's time to test, they assume the role of someone intent on doing you harm. Everybody understands when testing that it's a real world as possible.

Of course, they wait until you are ready (or should be) before that type of thing. You know when practicing that at some point it will become full "try to knock his head off" or "try to push him down" type of activity.

I highly recommend it for all dancers. Things happen in clubs because people drink, and it does make you a better dancer longer term.

I wish I had done it before dancing, but if you're like me and missed that boat, do it now. It will pay off in dancing, and it gives you a skill that hopefully you never need, but if you do, can make a positive difference.

BTW - anybody who is remotely skilled with MA will NOT get in a fight unless they absolutely have to... They know from training that even when you "win" you actually lost if you have to fight. They tend to be more aware of potential conflicts and avoid or minimize risky situations.

That said, the skills are something valuable and pay off later. My two younger boys are doing it, and I'm working on getting my girls involved too.
 
One difference: being capable of hospitalising someone with ease through martial arts is a sign of proficiency, but not such a good sign for someone dancing salsa.
From what I have seen so far, many "salsa" dancers don't need any martial arts to hospitalize each other. All they need is a quack salsa teacher who did not teach them space control; dance floor awareness, nor any notion of efficiency in movement! ;) LOL!
 
I did 6 months of fencing when I was about 10 (not a martial art, I know), and took a couple of Wing Chun and Kung Fu classes this year but decided the time commitment I would need to make to learn either of them properly would be too much.
Oh yes, I remember you mentioning something about trying out Wing Chun some months ago, if memory serves me correctly. If any time in the future you get the time and have access to a genuine teacher - which in New York would be more probable - I would definitely recommend that you practice this kung fu style, as Wing Chun taught as an Internal art is very high level indeed.

My favorite dancer, Frankie Martinez, has a 4th degree black belt in Shotokan Karate.

I had no idea and I am pleasantly surprised. I wonder if he still practices it. :)
 
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. And yes, my ability to roll around on the floor and strangle people has helped my dancing tremendously.

I believe that's the martial art considered to have the most practical success in unarmed combat i.e. they make the best (most successful) fighters.

(Someone proficient in both Brazilian jiu jitsu and Thai boxing would be even more dangerous.)
 
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