Yeah, please send it over.
Protests against police violence towards black population in the U.S.
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Yeah, please send it over.
Yes, I am aware of the complaints. I guess what I was suggesting was that perhaps there was something personal that caused the cop to kill Mr. Floyd since they had "bumped heads" while working for the same employer.
Derek Chauvin: What we know about the former officer convicted in George Floyd's death | CNN
Derek Chauvin worked for the Minneapolis Police Department for more than 18 years. In the span of nearly a year, he was filmed kneeling on George Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, fired from the police department and convicted of murder and manslaughter in Floyd's death.
The Minneapolis police officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck had 18 previous complaints against him, police department says | CNN
The former Minneapolis police officer seen in a video with his knee on George Floyd's neck had 18 prior complaints filed against him with the Minneapolis Police Department's Internal Affairs, according to the police department.
Communities United Against Police Brutality
www.cuapb.org
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Is it a paid article? I read die Zeit daily and didn't see it.
(I'm not doubting one second it's there, I just didn't see it)
I'm sorry in advance - it's not important at all. But the teacher in me is stronger!
Chauvinist in French is "chauviniste", not chauvin. I'm aware it doesn't matter at all and deeply ashamed not to be stronger than my stupid impulse to correct.
bailar y tocar
Son Montuno
Apparently the German article comes from several different articles in the NY Times.
Thousands of Complaints Do Little to Change Police Ways (Published 2020)
Efforts to hold problem officers accountable face resistance from unions, and juries are reluctant to second-guess.
"In nearly two decades with the Minneapolis Police Department, Derek Chauvin faced at least 17 misconduct complaints, none of which derailed his career.
Over the years, civilian review boards came and went, and a federal review recommended that the troubled department improve its system for flagging problematic officers.
All the while, Mr. Chauvin tussled with a man before firing two shots, critically wounding him. He was admonished for using derogatory language and a demeaning tone with the public. He was named in a brutality lawsuit. But he received no discipline other than two letters of reprimand.
It was not until Mr. Chauvin, 44, was seen in a video with his left knee pinned to the neck of a black man, prone for nearly nine minutes and pleading for relief, that the officer, who is white, was suspended, fired and then, on Friday, charged with murder."
bailar y tocar
Son Montuno
I know I read it but could not find it. The original info was from the NY Times.
bailar y tocar
Son Montuno
I knew that. I was embellishing. Besides who would want to have any kind of -iste in their name
El Caobo
Son Montuno
Sorry, but what you understand is incorrect. I've already demonstrated that no one could provide a link to a reputable source that claims such a thing.
The operative question is "why" is that what you understand. Obviously, someone said it to you, or you read it somewhere. Since it is untrue, perhaps you should question what you current have in your echo chamber That's a question.
I've seen the video more times than I cared to see it. He looks stunned that he was being treated the way he was being treated, if you ask me.
Also, even the same people who perpetuated that farce, ended it by saying something like, "but he still didn't deserve to be killed," so it doesn't matter that such a lie is out there. Well, they are only half right. No, it doesn't matter as it relates to whether or not he should have been killed. Yes, it does matter that such a farcical narrative has been propped up against him, because if not, WHY was it created? Clearly it matters!.
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El Caobo
Son Montuno
Husband and wife conversation:
- Her: Do you love me?
- Him: I love everybody.
- Her: Huh!? I asked you if you love me!
- Her: Do I matter to you?
- Him: Everybody matters to me.
- Her: Huh!? I asked you if I matter to you!
Two random people chatting:
- Her: Black lives matter.
- Him: All lives matter.
- Her: Huh!?
As we see, in some contexts, saying “all lives matter” is a very insensitive thing to say. Or course, all lives matter! Yet, saying that in response to "Black lives matter," is telling about how people really feel.
- Her: Do you love me?
- Him: I love everybody.
- Her: Huh!? I asked you if you love me!
- Her: Do I matter to you?
- Him: Everybody matters to me.
- Her: Huh!? I asked you if I matter to you!
Two random people chatting:
- Her: Black lives matter.
- Him: All lives matter.
- Her: Huh!?
As we see, in some contexts, saying “all lives matter” is a very insensitive thing to say. Or course, all lives matter! Yet, saying that in response to "Black lives matter," is telling about how people really feel.
If I recall the autopsy report indicated far higher dose of substance. I am not good with the drug names. It is irrelevant.
How would a 17 year old suspect a counterfeit note? Usually store clerks don't test/check $20 bills for counterfeit. They bleeding part was reported in either WaPo or NYT or CNN on the same day or the very next day the incident happened. Before the protests erupted.
El Caobo
Son Montuno
Can you provide a link to a reputable source that indicates any of those two things? If it was reported all all three of the ones that you mentioned, it should be easy.
I already did. Scroll up. Lol
Or here....
Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus
The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.
www.npr.org
More detailed account of previous interaction between the two:
slate.com
Update: Nightclub Co-Worker Retracts Story That Chauvin and Floyd Clashed
The former co-worker at a Minneapolis nightclub now says he was mistaken.
Thanks.
That is our local paper. It provides the following link where you can download the original copy of the report itself:
Autopsy 2020-3700 Floyd | PDF | Coronary Circulation | Tetrahydrocannabinol
May 26, 2020
However I don’t think it is relevant to the actual incident. If at all it is true that he was incoherent, it means that he wouldn’t have been fully capable of understanding police orders, more the reason for NOT to use overwhelming force. If person is tipsy it is enough to handcuff them at most. Why beat, restrain or anything else!
Like shown in the video above (HBO clip) the cops suddenly rush spraying tear gas directly into the face of protestors. Does that even make sense? What should people do when cops are provocating and behaving illegally.
manzanadulce
Son Montuno
Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus
The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.
www.npr.org
no one until me I suppose--unless you want to claim that NPR is unreputable?
dancingmaquina
Changui
Some of these replies are so disheartening.
George Floyd is not dead because he was a "criminal" or "high" or "resisting arrest." He is dead because an on-duty police officer murdered him in cold blood in front of witnesses.
To try to denigrate George Floyd's reputation and paint the reaction to his death and the systematic racism and police brutality that facilitated it as disproportionate is beyond callous.
By the way, the system did not "right" itself. The system fired the officers instead of arresting them for a murder that was captured on tape. The initial autopsy report was altered to omit officer wrong doing. Fellow cops guarded the house of the main perpetrator. The fact that there were any charges against the murderers at all was due to people refusing to sweep this injustice under the rug.
In time, businesses in affected areas will open back up, but George Floyd and all those other countless victims of police brutality and racism are never coming back. That should eat away at more people than it does.
George Floyd is not dead because he was a "criminal" or "high" or "resisting arrest." He is dead because an on-duty police officer murdered him in cold blood in front of witnesses.
To try to denigrate George Floyd's reputation and paint the reaction to his death and the systematic racism and police brutality that facilitated it as disproportionate is beyond callous.
By the way, the system did not "right" itself. The system fired the officers instead of arresting them for a murder that was captured on tape. The initial autopsy report was altered to omit officer wrong doing. Fellow cops guarded the house of the main perpetrator. The fact that there were any charges against the murderers at all was due to people refusing to sweep this injustice under the rug.
In time, businesses in affected areas will open back up, but George Floyd and all those other countless victims of police brutality and racism are never coming back. That should eat away at more people than it does.
Perhaps you haven't read the whole thread. Everyone has been speaking out against what happened.
I don't think anyone has called the protest and reaction as disproportiinate
dancingmaquina
Changui
I definitely read the whole thread.
And, from what I read, not everyone in the thread is speaking out against what happened. One person said it didn't involve him, his country or its problems. Another person brought up Floyd's alleged criminal past and drug use, but did not address how this is victim blaming. Someone else seemed more concerned about looting, as opposed to the loss of life.
I replied because I felt that the focus of the thread had shifted from the bigger issues of injustice and racism to trying to find "facts" about the alleged drugs in Floyd's system. I found that to be disturbing and unhelpful.
Did you see the posts by posters stating that they didn't see the connection between the protests (including the looters) and justice for Floyd? (Even though, as I mentioned in my post, this was the mechanism by which charges were ultimately brought against the perpetrators.) Did you also read the posts worrying about the affect of protesting on the summertime vibe of New York? These type of comments suggest that maintaining the status quo is more important than a lost life, more important than justice.
I hope that you can see my reply as more than a "critique" of the thread, but rather a different analysis of some comments that I don't find to be benign.
