Protests against police violence towards black population in the U.S.

wol said:
It was your argument, that background of the convicted person does not influence on how you should treat them. I disagreed and gave example of convict, who was discussed on this forum.
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You are confusing convict with victim in this case.

We will have to agree to disagree.
 
For those of you who do not live in the United States, let me share this with you. If you have paid attention, you have seen ad hominem comments in the thread attacking the victim, and comments disparaging the protesters. There is a very serious problem in the Untied States, and it is rooted in the need of some to maintain a hegemony at all costs. What you have seen here is just a tip of the iceberg of what they will do to paint Blacks as culpable for their insidious deeds. That do not want to take any responsibility, at all.

What this video for an idea of what the situation is.

 
manzanadulce said:
Chicago is one of the most dangerous cities in America.
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Depends on where you go and if you belong there or not. Its very very local. You know you can walk to corner x to catch a bus or the "el" but not to corner z or corner y because that is where the gangs own the territory.
Cali Colombia is exactly the same way.
 
Offbeat said:
Yes, I read about that. The owner of the club says he doesn't know if the two knew each other and that it is highly unlikely their shifts overlapped with each other. I guess we will know more during the trial.
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The owner of the club sold the property in January.
The info that both Chauvin and Floyd had worked there came out right away, about one day after the killing.
The building was destroyed in a fire laid by someone during the protests.
The building was nowhere near code requirements in any way shape or form. Wooden staircases, exits from 3rd floor way too small to evacuate a crowd safely. It was a firetrap AND protected as an historic building.
Then the protests came.
Then the fire came.
Now the owner can do whatever he wants.

It will be very very interesting to find out who the owners of the buildings are that were burnt to the ground.

I used to live very close to that neighborhood. 5 min by car, 10 min by bicycle, 5 min by bus. There was lots of commercial activity but also many homeless and many not so well off people milling about. This was not the best location for upscale businesses. It is difficult to see how these fires were NOT a desirable outcome for the property owners. They get the insurance money to rebuild in whichever format they want and they do not have to honor the leases of the businesses that held the space before. If you travel about 6km (4miles) west of this area to Uptown, one can see what property owners may want to have when everything is fixed up.
 
El Caobo said:
For those of you who do not live in the United States, let me share this with you. If you have paid attention, you have seen ad hominem comments in the thread attacking the victim, and comments disparaging the protesters. There is a very serious problem in the Untied States, and it is rooted in the need of some to maintain a hegemony at all costs. What you have seen here is just a tip of the iceberg of what they will do to paint Blacks as culpable for their insidious deeds. That do not want to take any responsibility, at all.

What this video for an idea of what the situation is.

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great video!!
 
I have one more comment. Everyone should be careful not to perpetuate false narratives. In this thread there were two claims that George Floyd was high on drugs. One that he was on fentinol (spelling?) and another that he was on meth. When asked where that information came from, since I was the news every morning and heard no such thing, the answer was from Wikipedia. Well, that turns out to be absolutely false. Also false was the claim that he had a counterfeit bill that was bleeding.

There are malicious factions in the United States that prop up these lies. People who unknowingly perpetuate it, end up being unknowingly complicit. So, please be careful.
 
AguaDulce said:
Perhaps, this was personal ...
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Derek Chauvin (his name means chauvinist in French) had 18 complaints filed against him in the most recent report period. Two complaints were forwarded for disciplinary action.

Per the police union contract, complaints are scrubbed after a period of time, so this record was from 2012 to present. There were 2600 total complaints in the report period. Only 12 were forwarded for disciplinary action. The strongest action taken was a 1 week suspension. 8 actions were written warning letters.

The statistic that could be extracted if all of these numbers are true: Derek Chauvin had 0.7% of the total complaints against the entire police dept but he had 16% of the complaints that led to disciplinary action.
So.... a suspect was 25 times more likely (i.e. 16/0.7) to be abused by Derek Chauvin than be any other typical officer of the Minneapolis Police Dept.

Btw, this information was not distributed by the US media. I got this from my German media source Die Zeit, a weekly journal with thorough reporting standards.
 
bailar y tocar said:
Derek Chauvin (his name means chauvinist in French) had 18 complaints filed against him in the most recent report period. Two complaints were forwarded for disciplinary action.

Per the police union contract, complaints are scrubbed after a period of time, so this record was from 2012 to present. There were 2600 total complaints in the report period. Only 12 were forwarded for disciplinary action. The strongest action taken was a 1 week suspension. 8 actions were written warning letters.

The statistic that could be extracted if all of these numbers are true: Derek Chauvin had 0.7% of the total complaints against the entire police dept but he had 16% of the complaints that led to disciplinary action.
So.... a suspect was 25 times more likely (i.e. 16/0.7) to be abused by Derek Chauvin than be any other typical officer of the Minneapolis Police Dept.

Btw, this information was not distributed by the US media. I got this from my German media source Die Zeit, a weekly journal with thorough reporting standards.
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Do you mind providing source? I would live to have it. DM if you would like.
 
Offbeat said:
I don't know how that is relevant. He is the latest victim of what is a well-established trend. What has his criminal past got to do with anything?

If you had to give his background then I wonder why you didn't give the background of both the cops who had multiple complaints filed against them in the past. It is more relevant that we don't know if the cops who had previous complaints were ever punished or disciplined enough. The guy whose history you are narrating at least was punished and served his time for his deeds. There is no proof that the cops faced any consequences for their previous actions.

The third cop who was only four days on the job had several criminal charges against him in the past two decades and has been convicted of seven criminal offenses. The cop who killed him had 18 previous complaints against him. The other cop had six and settled an excessive force lawsuit.

No one is saint in this. And that is not the point.

Here is what the Minneapolis Police Union Chief is now claiming:

The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terrorist movement.”

So everyone protesting is a terrorist now? If this is the attitude of the union chief, pray how can anyone feel safe from police in this country?? Can't you see a far larger problem staring in your face?
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oh i 100% agree the cop should NOT have had a job. and he deserved to be arrested and he's being charged with 2nd degree murder--all warranted. its ridiculous how many infractions he had. i agree neither party was innocent, i was just responding to posts about floyd specifically. i think there definitely needs to be some reforms in police departments across most of the country.
 
El Caobo said:
I have one more comment. Everyone should be careful not to perpetuate false narratives. In this thread there were two claims that George Floyd was high on drugs. One that he was on fentinol (spelling?) and another that he was on meth. When asked where that information came from, since I was the news every morning and heard no such thing, the answer was from Wikipedia. Well, that turns out to be absolutely false. Also false was the claim that he had a counterfeit bill that was bleeding.

There are malicious factions in the United States that prop up these lies. People who unknowingly perpetuate it, end up being unknowingly complicit. So, please be careful.
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from what i understand, the autopsy report showed that he had both those drugs in his system. if you watch the video of the arrest, he is clearly high.
 
El Caobo said:
I have one more comment. Everyone should be careful not to perpetuate false narratives. In this thread there were two claims that George Floyd was high on drugs. One that he was on fentinol (spelling?) and another that he was on meth. When asked where that information came from, since I was the news every morning and heard no such thing, the answer was from Wikipedia. Well, that turns out to be absolutely false. Also false was the claim that he had a counterfeit bill that was bleeding.

There are malicious factions in the United States that prop up these lies. People who unknowingly perpetuate it, end up being unknowingly complicit. So, please be careful.
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I agree with everything you are saying. Here are the reports from valid news sources and coroner's report. He also tested positive for Corona virus.



www.npr.org

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
 
manzanadulce said:
from what i understand, the autopsy report showed that he had both those drugs in his system. if you watch the video of the arrest, he is clearly high.
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Exactly, so if the cop was high how come we didn't test his blood? Lol

Cops should get blood tests every day to make they are not high or having roid rage.

It only makes sense if poor ppl have to get tested for food stamps, then we should test police to make sure they are not under anything when working. Lol (sarcasm) :)
 
dav7802 said:
Exactly, so if the cop was high how come we didn't test his blood? Lol

Cops should get blood tests every day to make they are not high or having roid rage.

It only makes sense if poor ppl have to get tested for food stamps, then we should test police to make sure they are not under anything when working. Lol (sarcasm) :)
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i was talking about george floyd, not the cop.

i agree cops should be sober on the job, of course. i'm not aware that derek chauvin was high, but i could be mistaken. i support his arrest and charge. he was corrupt and shouldn't have been a cop.
 
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