Is Kizomba just dry humping?

[Sabrosura]

Zook on the other hand while being the exact same beat is extremely hard. Zook has a basic. The beat is the same but the music is far more complex and you are expected to dance to both the beat and the melody. It can range from low BPM to very high BPM. So you cant hide a lack or athleticism. I'm glad to see Zook handing Kiz its lunch. As I've learned from this forum and other DJs they hate Kiz. Low BPM trash music brings the energy of the entire social down. Our DJs will play zook instead and it makes the kiz instructors mad because they cant move that fast.

First of all, it's spelled "zouk"

Second of all, I don't know what you're on about the "complex music" because zouk people actually usually dance to the simplest kind of kizomba music

My working theory, given the level of ignorance in your comments, is that you attended some random five-people event in a random middle of nowhere American town, and then proceeded to conclude that was somehow representative of kizomba and you're now an expert in it

 

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[MamboJazz]

LMAO Thanks for the laughs!!!

Anyone who dances even a tiny bit of kizomba will figure out pretty quickly that regular kizomba (danced in close position, with saidas etc.) is fairly easy (though there is still much more technique involved than in bachata, for example), whereas urban kiz is a *beast* to learn, for both leads and follows. This is because there is an infinite variation of moves and you must be able to lead and follow across multiple lines of dance and from multiple lead / follow angles.

I've been dancing salsa for many years and I consider urban kiz much more difficult to lead and follow than salsa.

Even in France, which is the home of urban kiz, the number of leads and follows who are skilled at urban kiz is much much lower than those who dance regular kizomba.

Ah, so our conspiracy worked well.

SFers had silently agreed to post more and more derogatory things about Urban Kizz so you finally must react. It gets boring when everybody agrees.

 

[AKon1]

This is because there is an infinite variation of moves and you must be able to lead and follow across multiple lines of dance and from multiple lead / follow angles.

Thats what makes it easy for the leads. There are no set rules so the lead can do what ever he wants and the follow is expected to "just follow" what ever the hell that means.

You are a follow. I have repeatedly said its extremely hard for follows. Stop telling me a lead how it works for leads!

 

[AKon1]

My working theory, given the level of ignorance in your comments, is that you attended some random five-people event in a random middle of nowhere American town, and then proceeded to conclude that was somehow representative of kizomba and you're now an expert in it

You really are a toxic elitist. IGNORED! Any time anyone says something about dance you don't like you resort to personal attacks.

Funny thing is so many Kiz fans are like you. Say you dont like the dance, and they jump in and start personally attacking. I had a kiz instructor stop me in coat room once because I dared told someone who asked me if I like Kiz "No". It wasn't even his studio. As if you can't have an opinion. What is it about that dance that attracts such toxic people like yourself?

As for zouk more like I did it for 2 years before out instructor got perpetually pregnant.

Marry Christmas!

 

[Offbeat]

You are a follow. I have repeatedly said its extremely hard for follows. Stop telling me a lead how it works for leads!

If you read her previous posts she also leads in Kizomba. So this line of argument won’t fly

A person whose primary or sole role is either of the two can definitely have valid insights and opinions about the opposite role. Some of the most useful feedback comes from a person good at the opposite role. I wouldn’t use the line of argument that uses a dancer‘s primary/preferred role against them.

 

[Winston]

Snobby people love dance styles that are hard or extremely hard to learn.
But for social dancing, the best dance styles are the ones that are easy to learn for the average person.
That's why merengue is the best style for social dancing.

But kizomba easy version (non-snobby) is also simple and thus enjoyable: just embrace each other and wiggle together on the rhythm and melody, or even stand still while staying silent. Enjoy!

 

[MamboJazz]

But for social dancing, the best dance styles are the ones that are easy to learn for the average person.
That's why merengue is the best style for social dancing.

True for package tourist resorts.
And yes, much better Merengue fun than not moving at all during their holidays in DR.

But kizomba easy version (non-snobby) is also simple and thus enjoyable: just embrace each other and wiggle together on the rhythm and melody, or even stand still while staying silent. Enjoy!

Sorry, but I can't enjoy with this muzak. I agree Kizz is difficult to dance on the advanced level, it needs a lot of body control most don't have. But this doesn't make the music sound better. "The art of noise" was an interesting 80s electronic music group, but Kizz sound for me is only noise without art. Does anybody listen to it outside the dancefloor? Are there Kizz hits played somewhere on the radio which people will still love to hear in future decades? There are no Kizz music groups, so there will not much survive of it when the DJs move on to the next thing - maybe merengue sensual?

 

[Offbeat]

Snobby people love dance styles that are hard or extremely hard to learn.
But for social dancing, the best dance styles are the ones that are easy to learn for the average person.
That's why merengue is the best style for social dancing.

But kizomba easy version (non-snobby) is also simple and thus enjoyable: just embrace each other and wiggle together on the rhythm and melody, or even stand still while staying silent. Enjoy!

I muted the music for the first ten seconds I watched. Try it and you will wonder what’s going on! Why are people nearly motionless in those positions. Then you think people are trying to imitate slow motion.

 

[Jorge Pescado]

I still think Kizomba is a one big african prank.

 

[AKon1]

I still think Kizomba is a one big african prank.

Careful you will be personally attacked for not understanding "connection." And dance by person who clearly doesn't understand the basics of music and dance like the differnce between tempo and rhythm.

 

[AKon1]

Sorry, but I can't enjoy with this muzak. I agree Kizz is difficult to dance on the advanced level, it needs a lot of body control most don't have. But this doesn't make the music sound better. "The art of noise" was an interesting 80s electronic music group, but Kizz sound for me is only noise without art.

I've said before I find it closest to 80s new wave in terms of musical complexity and quality. It its even worse as new wave while leaning heavily on the synth wasn't 100% synth like Kiz. There are no instruments! Its a synth base on the tempo and a single synth chime, stick, or some other synth sound on rhythm. Because there are no instruments in Kiz is there is zero harmonic complexity as there is nothing to harmonize, and there is zero timbral diversity because again there are no instruments to diversify. Its musical ****!

This is why I see Kiz as a parasite on Latin dance. It's that over-tanned white guy at a Latin Club claiming some fake Spanish ancestry. Or that guy who's 23 and Me said he is 3% West African claiming he's down for the struggle.

It's French club synth music. It isn't African. It isn't Latin. Actual African and Latin music and traditions are steeped in in musical depth, a pride in instrumentalists, and beautiful complex music. Kiz is fake African/Latin music for Europeans and others who also probably like Taylor Swift.

 

[DJ Yuca]

I've said before I find it closest to 80s new wave in terms of musical complexity and quality. It its even worse as new wave while leaning heavily on the synth wasn't 100% synth like Kiz.

Also 80s new wave had a lot of influence, longevity and significance. Even the biggest urban kiz fan would not claim the same about their music (which seems to be of very little significance even to them).

 

[AKon1]

Also 80s new wave had a lot of influence, longevity and significance. Even the biggest urban kiz fan would not claim the same about their music (which seems to be of very little significance even to them).

With Kiz they just run so far away.

 

[artimalid]

Snobby people love dance styles that are hard or extremely hard to learn.
But for social dancing, the best dance styles are the ones that are easy to learn for the average person.
That's why merengue is the best style for social dancing.

But kizomba easy version (non-snobby) is also simple and thus enjoyable: just embrace each other and wiggle together on the rhythm and melody, or even stand still while staying silent. Enjoy!

I wonder why is there always a disproportionately amount of white european women in kizomba events. I am not saying there is anything wrong or good about this, it is just a very interesting observation. I understand it's an African dance with little to no fusion, but salsa still has a lot of African influence.

 

[Winston]

Europe is (still) predominantly white, so there will be more white ladies at all events (also salsa, bachata, zouk).

Is kizomba in the USA as popular as in Europe?

 

[Smejmoon]

who also probably like Taylor Swift.

Should I google it or it's as bad as kizz music?

 

[Smejmoon]

I wonder why is there always a disproportionately amount of white european women in kizomba events. I am not saying there is anything wrong or good about this, it is just a very interesting observation. I understand it's an African dance with little to no fusion, but salsa still has a lot of African influence.

Because many of African guys don't ask black women much if white are available. They would like to dance, but sooner or later they leave. Same in salsa, African women get less dances.

 

[MamboJazz]

Because many of African guys don't ask black women much if white are available. They would like to dance, but sooner or later they leave. Same in salsa, African women get less dances.

Ouch, so is there indeed truth in it?

I had never heard about this until recently when I took a look at dance-forums and randomly choose one of the oldest threads: a supposedly black woman wrote the same, that many black guys prefer white women because they are like the trophy to win. Even without visa hunting, when they are already living in the western world.
But probably it's hard to get much voices about it, because it's hard to get data about elephants in the room.

 

[Smejmoon]

Ouch, so is there indeed truth in it?

I had never heard about this until recently when I took a look at dance-forums and randomly choose one of the oldest threads: a supposedly black woman wrote the same, that many black guys prefer white women because they are like the trophy to win. Even without visa hunting, when they are already living in the western world.
But probably it's hard to get much voices about it, because it's hard to get data about elephants in the room.

I don't know about visas or stereotypes (after all Africa is a range of cultures and many of men are European even with African roots). This just comes from stories from many women over years.
We have room for growth. From my observations US doesn't have these issues, but I might be wrong.