Is Kizomba just dry humping?

[Ron Obvious]

I think there is a clash between the way kizomba and anglo-saxon dancers measure up the dance against the music, maybe this is where all this negative attitude comes from, especially from people that dance linear style. See, in kizomba you don't count the beats in the measures, but instead you dance on the beats irrespective of how they fall within the measure. I think this goes against the way anglo-saxon dance theory that you always count the beats, and therefore the clash.

But this is also the beaty of it. You rip up some rules that you are used to rely under, and you gain a lot more freedom. Reminds me of another thread about whether it matters to dance on the 1 or the 5. For some people it does, for others it doesn't.

 

[Smejmoon]

Here a nice new Semba

Semba is good, but gropers don't like it.

 

[DJ Yuca]

I think there is a clash between the way kizomba and anglo-saxon dancers measure up the dance against the music, maybe this is where all this negative attitude comes from, especially from people that dance linear style. See, in kizomba you don't count the beats in the measures, but instead you dance on the beats irrespective of how they fall within the measure. I think this goes against the way anglo-saxon dance theory that you always count the beats, and therefore the clash.

Why don't you read the thread, which states pretty unambiguously where the negative attitude comes from. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not someone counts the beats in the measures. You really have missed the point.

And k****** seems to be just as popular, if not more so, with slot style salsa dancers as it is with casineros. I'm sure there's also plenty of people from both styles of salsa who are disgusted with the way this music and dance has been foisted on the salsa scene(s).

 

[MAMBO_CEC]

Why don't you read the thread, which states pretty unambiguously where the negative attitude comes from. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not someone counts the beats in the measures. You really have missed the point.

And k****** seems to be just as popular, if not more so, with slot style salsa dancers as it is with casineros. I'm sure there's also plenty of people from both styles of salsa who are disgusted with the way this music and dance has been foisted on the salsa scene(s).

k******=Kizombies? (again no mailce just having fun with the word) some of my best mates are Kizombies(Or is it Kizombero/a?)

 

[Smejmoon]

Is this k*?

 

[Winston]

What I noticed, also with bachata, is that most people will do nothing more than embrace each other and stand there in one place rocking and grooving (or so you like grinding and dry humping) the entire song.

And just as bachata has more than a simple embrace, eq footwork, turnpatterns, dips, and different sexy bachata moves, kizomba also has more to it than just dry humping.

Less is more seems to work with those styles.

 

[Winston]

Salsa is dry humping:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-DtSo2bnJuhbbm2/miami_vice_2006_dancing_at_cuban_night_club/

 

[EMOYENO]

yes kizomba its dry humping and I find extremely stupid.

 

[EMOYENO]

I'm sure there's also plenty of people from both styles of salsa who are disgusted with the way this music and dance has been foisted on the salsa scene(s).

yes, I was reding on a FB thread about it. Most hard core salseros (myself included) dont like the Kizomba.

for whatever reason, I dont like it!! leave me to my salsa
Kizomba should have a venue, a night of its own, not mixed or fused with Salsa nights.

Whatever happened to "Lambada" --- like the song said: ♪ ♫ "llorando se fue..."♪ ♫ ♪

 

[vit]

What I noticed, also with bachata, is that most people will do nothing more than embrace each other and stand there in one place rocking and grooving (or so you like grinding and dry humping) the entire song.

Well, Arg. tango is also a dance where many people claim it's mostly about embrace, as evident on this video from well known club in Buenos Aires, which was posted several weeks ago in AT section in ballroom forums. So I don't think that there is something wrong with it

 

[Winston]

In the Tango video I also saw a few side walks moves. Not just grooving.

The explanation why I think it's 'wrong' is that the dance is much richer in things one can do, than just a basic step.

If people are happy with just a basic step it's alright. But I'll be bored.

Plus I don't enjoy a tight embrace with everybody.

 

[vit]

Of course there are also some steps and not just grooving. It is in the epicenter of tango and not just in a random place where people are dancing tango. But what is evident is that there are no fancy moves, dancing of couples is very compact and point is indeed on embrace (that's just my observation - my knowledge about AT is very limited)

On the other side, you will see some walks also by many couples in my venue. Many of them are able to dance something like saida after dancing a year or two and even earlier. And the hold is somehow similar to tango hold

However, while argentine tango is indeed much richer, kizomba actually isn't at the present moment. There are only 2-3 variants of very simple basic step and de-facto only one figure (saida) although it wouldn't be called a figure in b/room terms because technically it's only a step with the partner outside, everything else are just patterns made up by instructors and some figures borrowed from the tango and one or two similar to figures in b/room samba (which also has some distant and unclear roots in Africa), everything else is pure improvisation

And of course, unlike tango, kizomba has specific body movement which also needs some practice, so part of the time couple are trying to improve their body movement and do not walk

And of course, there are always people who never attended any class and try to do what they see or think they see and it is usually off

Of course I don't enjoy a tight embrace with everybody in any dance, be it kizomba or tango or bachata or zouk or whatever ...

 

[Winston]

I also dance kizomba #shame#shame#shame
And I know at least thirty kizomba moves already, of course based on tango or ballroom or improvised origins. So if someone expects me to just embrace in the basic step and grind I just feel, uhm, you know .... that I'm missing something ...

 

[Winston]

Recently I also saw a tango performance. With lifts and acrobatics. That's not what I have in mind.

 

[vit]

Agree with that. Well, different people have different priorities. I would also die if I had to dance the basic step whole of the time. However, even one kizomba instructor in the venue (ok, let's say he is an instructor) prefer to keep it simple while dancing socially, although he is able to dance and teach more complex moves, so ... it depends ...

 

[Winston]

Yes depends, depends, ...
On the song, space, partner, my own comfort level, .....

 

[MAMBO_CEC]

Proof be that Kizomba is indeed dry humping. I was talking to a newbie follow last night and she swears that at a recent Kizomba event one of the leads she danced with had an "accident" as she put it, due to close kizomba proximity..needless to say it's now a stain on the character of the local scene

 

[Winston]

That's not proof. It's just proof that she didn't pay attention during kizomba class or that her instructor doesn't know the basics of kizomba.

At 3.22 min. Watch carefully. Or even pauze.

In the embrace hold the lady should lean slightly forward against her partner. Thus creating a little distance between both dancers' pelvis area.
The motion of the pelvis is backwards, not forward. So the distance should always remain there. This also makes the ladies' ass look greater and the movements sexier, compared to a forward motion.

Also a lot of leading and following is done with the outer tighs. So the man will need the space at the pelvis level to be able to step out to the other side eq with his right foot to his left side, and so connecting his right tigh with the ladies' right tigh. Another reason not to grind.

Aside from technique, part of kizomba beginners class is also the etiquette.

In salsa you should not but may feel offended if you get a rejection. But because of the intimacy of kizomba the lady has always the right to reject a partner.
Also there is etiquette what you should do if a guy gets to intimate, with a long lasting big "accident."

So intentionally grinding while dancing kizomba is just a consenting adults thing, but not a part of the dance as it is supposed to be.
Not intentionally grinding is just bad basics.

 

[Kading]

That's not proof. It's just proof that she didn't pay attention during kizomba class or that her instructor doesn't know the basics of kizomba.

At 3.22 min. Watch carefully. Or even pauze.

In the embrace hold the lady should lean slightly forward against her partner. Thus creating a little distance between both dancers' pelvis area.
The motion of the pelvis is backwards, not forward. So the distance should always remain there. This also makes the ladies' ass look greater and the movements sexier, compared to a forward motion.

Also a lot of leading and following is done with the outer tighs. So the man will need the space at the pelvis level to be able to step out to the other side eq with his right foot to his left side, and so connecting his right tigh with the ladies' right tigh. Another reason not to grind.

Aside from technique, part of kizomba beginners class is also the etiquette.

In salsa you should not but may feel offended if you get a rejection. But because of the intimacy of kizomba the lady has always the right to reject a partner.
Also there is etiquette what you should do if a guy gets to intimate, with a long lasting big "accident."

So intentionally grinding while dancing kizomba is just a consenting adults thing, but not a part of the dance as it is supposed to be.
Not intentionally grinding is just bad basics.

The normal kizomba basic does not involve grinding, I cant see tarraxinha any other way though.

I'm not afraid to admit I have loads of 'accidents' during the few kizomba dancing I do. How can a normal man not have accidents if you are dancing within 10 centimeter with a beautiful girl having contact with each others head/breast on sensual music where the only focus of the song is sex and getting laid.

Something is messed up if you don't lol.

 

[MAMBO_CEC]

Too funny kading!!! TMI LOL, however I think the young lady in question was traumatized, so much so that I think it will be long time until she dances K***** again, she was actually making jokes about having a bun in the oven!!!