Did Eddie Torres really invent ET-On2 timing?

1derpalm said:
I dont put much stock into forward and backward on 2. Depends on the song, my follow, my headspace.
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You can start by breaking forward on 6 to start the dance. I often do that. Very rarely is follower puzzled. 99% of time there isn't an issue starting with forward step.
 
1derpalm said:
I mean I like to break forward on 2 more often than not.
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That is okay. But many of the trained followers who have been taught ET On2 (which is mostly what is taught as on2 world over) and have a good timing, might think you are on the wrong timing. It will be considered an on2 equivalent of dancing on5.

We had a discussion on here a few years back. The followers were evenly split on whether they would follow the leaders timing and still enjoy the dance or not.

Would you feel weird breaking forward on6 instead of on2? If yes, why?
 
Offbeat said:
That is okay. But many of the trained followers who have been taught ET On2 (which is mostly what is taught as on2 world over) and have a good timing, might think you are on the wrong timing. It will be considered an on2 equivalent of dancing on5.

We had a discussion on here a few years back. The followers were evenly split on whether they would follow the leaders timing and still enjoy the dance or not.

Would you feel weird breaking forward on6 instead of on2? If yes, why?
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No. Its song specific. Some songs I wanna dance on 1. Some songs I wanna dance et2. Some songs I wanna do son (breaking forward usually) timing, etc. To say I'm on the wrong timing would be theoretically incorrect and I could (but don't) argue that they just dont follow, or rather they don't "dance to the music". I generally ask, if dancing on 2, or let them know how I'm feeling. If they aren't open minded, then I dont see why I should be either. We dance on 1 and then I know not to ask them again if they are snots. In general when dancing I tend to by looked into the melody when I dance, so depending on what I want to Express dictates if I'm going to break forward or back on 2, or whether I want ET timing or not.
K see no reason to force myself into a timing for a song that will hamper my expression and ability to give my best effort (aka if I dont want to fk it I am not good at taking enjoymentbor creativity, so I just won't).
Not that I put a a sour face, but you can see the effort of me faking.
 
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1derpalm said:
To say I'm on the wrong timing would be theoretically incorrect and I could (but don't) argue that they just dont follow
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Yeah... that would work if Salsa schools didn't religiously stick to their "men break forward on 6", "ladies break back on 6" dogma. Not once in Salsa class did I hear the term, "contratiempo, Son, P2, Palladium.." Students follow their teachers and worse, studio horde mentality, and can't be bothered to think they could be wrong unless it is universally accepted by the majority in whatever bubble they dance in. There is nothing wrong dancing On6 or On5, especially if you are consistent with it.

It's like if people start complaining that you start dancing Bachata with your right foot. It is even worse considering there are no directional changes in Bachata ever.
 
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Offbeat said:
But many of the trained followers who have been taught ET On2 (which is mostly what is taught as on2 world over) and have a good timing, might think you are on the wrong timing. It will be considered an on2 equivalent of dancing on5.
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Brainwashed newbs.
 
TikiTaka said:
Dominicans seem to dance any timing, any direction or just in place, but less often the wide side to side stepping that is done in Europe starting to the left "On1".
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I remember this from Bachata a lot, they used to start wherever they wanted - and I kind of like that!
If you change the beat where you start on every song, you can do a lot more with all the steps you already know.
 
Latinjazz said:
I remember this from Bachata a lot, they used to start wherever they wanted -
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In DR?

TikiTaka said:
Dominicans seem to dance any timing, any direction or just in place, but less often the wide side to side stepping that is done in Europe starting to the left "On1".
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Bachata in EU is mostly trash. Enough said :D

I don't dance bachata anymore. I used to a bit more regularly for a couple of years about 9/10 years back. If let's say 6 out of 10 followers in USA could follow the dancing like shown in the video, in EU it is like 0.5 out of 10.

Since I hardly ever dance bachata now don't know what the status in USA is. Some bachata I have danced in EU that was good, half the time the follower happened to be visiting from USA.
 
TikiTaka said:
So far almost all of them. I still keep it simple nothing advanced. Once, a girl made me change to "On1" from "On5" on a Timba song. And another time, a girl didn't like that i started with the right foot on a Bachata.
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I was taught that that in *real* Bachata - it is traditionally accepted at the follow dances first, and the lead corresponds.
 
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Dissonant Harmony said:
-"Sensual Bachata" is a completely difference dance, that happened to acquire the same name.
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I have a really hard time using the name at all... Also because having "sensual" in the name of a dance is like a red flag... I imagine myself asking for a dance: "Would you like to dance? But I dance sensual salsa. Is that ok for you?"

The other way sounds even nicer "...but don't worry, I dance un-sensual Salsa, so you're safe"
 
Latinjazz said:
I have a really hard time using the name at all... Also because having "sensual" in the name of a dance is like a red flag... I imagine myself asking for a dance: "Would you like to dance? But I dance sensual salsa. Is that ok for you?"

The other way sounds even nicer "...but don't worry, I dance un-sensual Salsa, so you're safe"
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That's why we call it BS.
 
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