Cuban vs rueda
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It sounds like your school teaches the rueda-only format. This is totally normal although there are pros and cons to this approach.
The idea is that you are killing two birds w/ one stone - learning rueda and 1 on 1 moves at the same time. And so you just translate a move like "setenta" into 1 on 1 as it's exactly the same either way.
If you are a total beginner I would roll with it for awhile unless you just totally hate rueda. If you are coming over from another style you may have to get creative if you don't want to get stuck doing beginner patty-cake moves with the newbs. Good luck.
The idea is that you are killing two birds w/ one stone - learning rueda and 1 on 1 moves at the same time. And so you just translate a move like "setenta" into 1 on 1 as it's exactly the same either way.
If you are a total beginner I would roll with it for awhile unless you just totally hate rueda. If you are coming over from another style you may have to get creative if you don't want to get stuck doing beginner patty-cake moves with the newbs. Good luck.
Thanks Governor. I was expecting more rotation I guess- I thought that’s what Cuban was.
I dance LA cross body usually, and I love rueda. A new teacher has started to teach ‘Cuban salsa’ which I thought would be more rotational- but the lessons seem much the same as rueda.
So if this is the ‘rueda format’ what would be the other format?
I dance LA cross body usually, and I love rueda. A new teacher has started to teach ‘Cuban salsa’ which I thought would be more rotational- but the lessons seem much the same as rueda.
So if this is the ‘rueda format’ what would be the other format?
Assuming you mean casino style rotation vs LA slot style.
Sometimes "cuban salsa" is casino moves where you have more spot turns and slot style, even in the rueda. Maybe that's what you are seeing.
The other format is 1 on 1. So nowadays instead of 100% rueda maybe you have a 50-50 split btw rueda and doing those moves 1 on 1.
Sometimes "cuban salsa" is casino moves where you have more spot turns and slot style, even in the rueda. Maybe that's what you are seeing.
The other format is 1 on 1. So nowadays instead of 100% rueda maybe you have a 50-50 split btw rueda and doing those moves 1 on 1.
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Son Montuno
It is more rotation but not always. The casino version that has a lot of rotation has its own name: metodo cuadrado. By contrast, the Miami version of casino that is often taught to promote rueda is kind of a cuban salsa/linear hybrid.
1derpalm
Son Montuno
Casino in and out if ryeda are slightly different skill sets and orientation.
It's hard to answer what you shoukd expect without good examples. Do you want ryeda or tonsraybwith your partner? If you are in beginner class, expect to learn basic moves. As you get more proficient, expect style and more complex moves.
To make rueda format more partnerworky, just apply the 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock principals.
12 is closed position, 3 is paseala, exhibela and DLQN position, aand 9 o clock is guapea position. At any point in the movements, you can re orient where the clock hands are, like a watch, so you aren't stuck doing "salsa en banana." Which to me is what learning rueda position but never switching is.
And hope they teach fintas. Follows who say they dance cuban because they took a couple rueda classes are painful. I was the lead equivalent to that until the last few years.
It's hard to answer what you shoukd expect without good examples. Do you want ryeda or tonsraybwith your partner? If you are in beginner class, expect to learn basic moves. As you get more proficient, expect style and more complex moves.
To make rueda format more partnerworky, just apply the 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock principals.
12 is closed position, 3 is paseala, exhibela and DLQN position, aand 9 o clock is guapea position. At any point in the movements, you can re orient where the clock hands are, like a watch, so you aren't stuck doing "salsa en banana." Which to me is what learning rueda position but never switching is.
And hope they teach fintas. Follows who say they dance cuban because they took a couple rueda classes are painful. I was the lead equivalent to that until the last few years.
Salsa Cubana is not the same Casino. Casino is not Salsa Cubana.
You never take back steps when dancing Casino as the lead is forward on 1. If your instructor is showing you back steps he is teaching you Salsa Cubana. In Casino your first step is in place or forward, never back.
If he is teaching you Salsa Cubana in a rueda this is ok to learn basic movements, but keep in mind that this is not Salsa Cubana nor Casino. Rueda is different as you have a fixed center of the circle that you have to stay oriented to.
Ask your instructor to show you the difference between Salsa Cubana and Casino. If he does not know what you are talking about, or cannot in a simple way explain the difference, I recommend you find another instructor.
Sounds to me like you want Casino.
You never take back steps when dancing Casino as the lead is forward on 1. If your instructor is showing you back steps he is teaching you Salsa Cubana. In Casino your first step is in place or forward, never back.
If he is teaching you Salsa Cubana in a rueda this is ok to learn basic movements, but keep in mind that this is not Salsa Cubana nor Casino. Rueda is different as you have a fixed center of the circle that you have to stay oriented to.
Ask your instructor to show you the difference between Salsa Cubana and Casino. If he does not know what you are talking about, or cannot in a simple way explain the difference, I recommend you find another instructor.
Sounds to me like you want Casino.
1derpalm
Son Montuno
What about the old white haired habaneros tat I see do backstop, sometimes not all the time. I would say they are still dancing casino. Didn't casino morph into its modern form of "optimized" for rueda? That would imply that it originally ha dback steps. There for backstop would be original and correct.
Ha ginger uo on the name differential is kinda silly in this day and age.
I think you're arguing with a bot.
But I'll take "Deformacion de Casino" for $500, Alex.
On1 Dance mechanics gives you 2 options. You can lead on the 1 or you can lead on the 2. With these 2 options you can dance 3 ways:
1. lead only on 2
2. lead on 2 and on 1
3. lead only on 1
When you start out dancing Cuban Salsa you start by leading only on 2. Then you learn how to do Hecho properly and lead moves like vacilala and setenta on 1. Now you are leading all your Hecho moves on 1 but everything else on 2. You dance like this until you discover that there is a Cuban dance style called Casino. You try it but it is difficult. It is difficult because you have to lead everything on 1 and that is hard because you are so used to doing the easy back step all the time. After years of dedication and practice you master Casino and leading on 1 and find yourself never performing a back step again.
What is my point? My point is that Casino is a Cuban dance style all its own because the lead is on 1. It simply does not function with back steps. If you were proficient in leading on 1 you would understand this. If somebody, no matter if he is Cuban or not, is dancing Cuban Salsa with a back step then that is what he is dancing, but it is not Casino.
1. lead only on 2
2. lead on 2 and on 1
3. lead only on 1
When you start out dancing Cuban Salsa you start by leading only on 2. Then you learn how to do Hecho properly and lead moves like vacilala and setenta on 1. Now you are leading all your Hecho moves on 1 but everything else on 2. You dance like this until you discover that there is a Cuban dance style called Casino. You try it but it is difficult. It is difficult because you have to lead everything on 1 and that is hard because you are so used to doing the easy back step all the time. After years of dedication and practice you master Casino and leading on 1 and find yourself never performing a back step again.
What is my point? My point is that Casino is a Cuban dance style all its own because the lead is on 1. It simply does not function with back steps. If you were proficient in leading on 1 you would understand this. If somebody, no matter if he is Cuban or not, is dancing Cuban Salsa with a back step then that is what he is dancing, but it is not Casino.
I was going to say something but wanted to hear others' opinions before doing a spam ban.
But this gibberish it's spewing sounds very AI to me.
1derpalm
Son Montuno
I just woke up and my eyes are still limes shut. I saw "bat".
Then I was like
That's EXACTLY what a bot would say. Chris, initiate Bot Termination Protocol!!!
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Son Montuno
Why eliminate?
Bot or not Bot that is not the question. W/o someone posting stuff that does not fit with what RL dancers do, there would be no discussion here.
I think at times everyone should step up, post something controversial, let the traffic increase and maybe someone even stays on topic and sets the record straight.
Who wants to go first to post something controversial? @Offbeat @1derpalm ?
I thought I did.
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Son Montuno
Yes, but so far no one has set the record straight.