Cross Body Lead Issue

[terence]

I may be wrong (Terence et al can correct me if am) - but as far as I understand in Puerto Rico don't they dance On2 by prepping on the 1 and 5, like in NY ET? I was under the impression that PR style is very similar to NY ET but in the other direction?

PRs dance on 1,2 and 3. Some prep some dont. The style is very blended with some linear and some circular,thats why I prefer to dance that style ( and teach it ). Prepping, is often done to the side and forward.

 

[vit]

So actually it's not much different than overhere in Europe or elsewhere, just that it's a different blend
Like with Whiskey, some blends are better and some not that good ...

 

[Smejmoon]

I may be wrong (Terence et al can correct me if am) - but as far as I understand in Puerto Rico don't they dance On2 by prepping on the 1 and 5, like in NY ET? I was under the impression that PR style is very similar to NY ET but in the other direction?

Puerto Rico style is more like son. Lead forward -234-678. Or On1.

But in Latin countries of Europe and southern Germany it's a general term for cross body salsa (or non Cuban). Basically in each locality it might be different.

 

[boraz]

I may be wrong (Terence et al can correct me if am) - but as far as I understand in Puerto Rico don't they dance On2 by prepping on the 1 and 5, like in NY ET? I was under the impression that PR style is very similar to NY ET but in the other direction?

Yes, they do that too, at least here in Italy. There are 2 famous Italian dancers, Piero Mingarelli and Daria Mingarelli, who had spent they childhood in Puerto Rico, and they claim they brought the pure puertorican style in Italy. Their timing is exactly what you described, basically an "inverted" NY ET. (In Italy they call it "Mingarelli timing"). Pietro Mingarelli claims he invented that timing.
Other than the timing, their overall style is what here is consider to be "puertorican salsa".
Here's a video of them dancing

So to summerize, in Italy there are people who say they dance Puertorican salsa, and they dance on1 (that's considered the "easy" version), other dance Power2 timing (that's considered "Classic Puertorican"), and other dance the aforementioned "Mingarelli Style" (they say they dance Puertorican salsa, but they acknowledge they are using a peculiar timing).
But, despite the timing, they all use the same styling while dancing.

Yeah, the situation is a mess around here.

 

[terence]

Puerto Rico style is more like son. Lead forward -234-678. Or On1.

But in Latin countries of Europe and southern Germany it's a general term for cross body salsa (or non Cuban). Basically in each locality it might be different.

Its nothing like Son.... and Son commences BACK ( and sometimes sideways ), And, how many PRs have you danced with ? or know ?

 

[terence]

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Their timing is exactly what you described, basically an "inverted" NY ET. (In Italy they call it "Mingarelli timing").

Pietro Mingarelli claims he invented that timing.
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HE invented it ???.. in his dreams..
The sourse of material used in dance is vague at best, There are few things that are well documented, but, the majority of variety, that exists, came from sources other than the latin genre.
And "timing ", is very subjective .What he describes, was around before he was born !

 

[Smejmoon]

Its nothing like Son.... and Son commences BACK ( and sometimes sideways ), And, how many PRs have you danced with ? or know ?

Stopped counting. Do you have a list?

 

[terence]

Yes, they do that too, at least here in Italy. There are 2 famous Italian dancers, Piero Mingarelli and Daria Mingarelli, who had spent they childhood in Puerto Rico, and they claim they brought the pure puertorican style in Italy. Their timing is exactly what you described, basically an "inverted" NY ET. (In Italy they call it "Mingarelli timing"). Pietro Mingarelli claims he invented that timing.
Other than the timing, their overall style is what here is consider to be "puertorican salsa".
Here's a video of them dancing

So to summerize, in Italy there are people who say they dance Puertorican salsa, and they dance on1 (that's considered the "easy" version), other dance Power2 timing (that's considered "Classic Puertorican"), and other dance the aforementioned "Mingarelli Style" (they say they dance Puertorican salsa, but they acknowledge they are using a peculiar timing).
But, despite the timing, they all use the same styling while dancing.

Yeah, the situation is a mess around here.

Yes, they do that too, at least here in Italy. There are 2 famous Italian dancers, Piero Mingarelli and Daria Mingarelli, who had spent they childhood in Puerto Rico, and they claim they brought the pure puertorican style in Italy. Their timing is exactly what you described, basically an "inverted" NY ET. (In Italy they call it "Mingarelli timing"). Pietro Mingarelli claims he invented that timing.
Other than the timing, their overall style is what here is consider to be "puertorican salsa".
Here's a video of them dancing

So to summerize, in Italy there are people who say they dance Puertorican salsa, and they dance on1 (that's considered the "easy" version), other dance Power2 timing (that's considered "Classic Puertorican"), and other dance the aforementioned "Mingarelli Style" (they say they dance Puertorican salsa, but they acknowledge they are using a peculiar timing).
But, despite the timing, they all use the same styling while dancing.

Yeah, the situation is a mess around here.

First,, what the deall with aB/room LATIN dress ?.. and, if that,is what they believe PRs dance like, then I suggest you make a trip to NY, Tampa Atlanta.
I do realise its a "show ".. but DANCE what you advertise and teach .( tell the camera guy to buy some lights ! )

 

[terence]

Stopped counting. Do you have a list?

Yep.. but it would take months to write all their names

 

[vit]

I do realise its a "show ".. but DANCE what you advertise and teach .( tell the camera guy to buy some lights ! )

Probably unofficial video taken with a mobile phone or compact camera, as usual, so no additional lights
Yes, this is a show, hard to conclude how his social dancing looks like
I didn't like dressing either
Also it's unclear to me what is specific about the timing he "invented" (year, right)

 

[terence]

Probably unofficial video taken with a mobile phone or compact camera, as usual, so no additional lights
Yes, this is a show, hard to conclude how his social dancing looks like
I didn't like dressing either
Also it's unclear to me what is specific about the timing he "invented" (year, right)

It wouldnt really matter which timing he "claimed ".. theyve all been done, way before he was around ( me? , Ive been here since "dirt " was discovered )

 

[vit]

It wouldnt really matter which timing he "claimed ".. theyve all been done, way before he was around

That's exactly what I intended to write here, but you were faster

 

[boraz]

Yeah I know he probably didn't invent anything, but in Italy there is this myth. Anyway unfortunately I don't have a video of them social dancing..

 

[MAMBO_CEC]

Yes, they do that too, at least here in Italy. There are 2 famous Italian dancers, Piero Mingarelli and Daria Mingarelli, who had spent they childhood in Puerto Rico, and they claim they brought the pure puertorican style in Italy. Their timing is exactly what you described, basically an "inverted" NY ET. (In Italy they call it "Mingarelli timing"). Pietro Mingarelli claims he invented that timing.
Other than the timing, their overall style is what here is consider to be "puertorican salsa".
Here's a video of them dancing

So to summerize, in Italy there are people who say they dance Puertorican salsa, and they dance on1 (that's considered the "easy" version), other dance Power2 timing (that's considered "Classic Puertorican"), and other dance the aforementioned "Mingarelli Style" (they say they dance Puertorican salsa, but they acknowledge they are using a peculiar timing).
But, despite the timing, they all use the same styling while dancing.

Yeah, the situation is a mess around here.

Here we go again ....timing...seems to be source of extreme discord on this forum. looks to me like they're steppin/breaking on the 2 and the 6, so to me that is dancing On2.....Mingarelli2 notwithstanding!!!, 2 and 6 those are the important numbers!!!!!forget about all the other fluff, I just waiting for the next On2 invention....how about a Seattle On2?

 

[vit]

 

[Kading]

Brings back memories. One of my first salsa clips I saw where I actually liked the dancing. So funny to see I can do every move in the clip now (though the sabor part is still missing haha), while I was totally dazed before how he did everything
Funny how I did not even notice it was on2 back then either, even though I studied this clip pretty intensely.

 

[boraz]

By the way, in Italy Felipe Polanco is considered one of the major exponents of "Puerto Rican" salsa, so many italian teachers have him in mind when they talk about "Puerto Rican" Salsa.

Personally I prefer other dancers, but what do I know?

 

[vit]

This guy looks better to me, but it's just first impression after brief looking

That said - there are several main styles of salsa and within them, personal styles of individual dancers can vary to great extent. I also prefer some dancers and don't like some other dancers, although they can be top level dancers (which I respect) and I think it's perfectly ok.

What is important is to find a style/instructor that you like and that works well for you when dancing socially (meaning follower like dancing with you)

 

[tallpaul]

By the way, in Italy Felipe Polanco is considered one of the major exponents of "Puerto Rican" salsa, so many italian teachers have him in mind when they talk about "Puerto Rican" Salsa.

Personally I prefer other dancers, but what do I know?

Right enough, the Italian guy I know here (who took lessons at home in "Puerto Rican style" raves about Felipe Polanco.

 

[MAMBO_CEC]

And the reason you posted the clip was? If I am not mistaken the couple are dancing on1