Kizomba
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Zouk and Kizomba
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Coppelia
Changui
Welcome and thank you.
Idalis
Changui
Am I missing something here? Ive seen a couple of the dances took a drop in class and still cant understand why kizomba is still around or zouk for that matter, um we already have bachata and sometime that is too much. How did what looks like a basic step touch/grind become a dance? Can we show k/z the exit please, sorry for the rant.
DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
I expect opinions vary. Personally I feel the music and dance that many instructors and promoters on the salsa scene have insisted on providing has deterred many people from staying on the scene, whilst attracting the sort of people who think k****** is great. In fact, it's even better than salsa to many 'salsa dancers'.
At the risk of repeating myself: the way salsa promoters (and many DJs) rushed to embrace k****** really exposed just how little integrity, or interest in salsa, these people actually have. Unfortunately the move backfired on them in many respects, as k****** has deterred many salseros and potential salseros, whilst many of those who applaude it have realised they actually prefer pure k****** nights, so they have deserted the salsa scene.
So many promoters think that the more commercial something is the better it must be. If people want something mainstream, they wouldn't go to salsa in the 1st place.
You think? We have two new Kizomba nights locally and a monthly party. Many of the cross body nights have a Kizomba room. At least at the Cuban nights there are no Kizomba tracks.
matty
Son Montuno
well, i mean, in terms of its presence at salsa or latin nights, and as you have just decribed in your area , it has been shown the door,if not to a seperate room then to a seperate venue.
but even on its own i can imagine it will start to become "passe" at some point. for a start, the music has a very "short-shelf-life" sound to it with those cheesy synth drums and R&B style backing vocals.
and i cannot say what it is like in different parts of the world, but in my own day to day life i dont think i have met anyone who likes to hear kizomba in a bar or a club, outside of people who do kizomba dance workshops. that to me spells that what they are crazy about is more to do with the dance , and the music is very much secondary to that. so, what happens once they start running out of moves? or the critical mass has been reached and class numbers start to drop?
matty
Son Montuno
i would not go so far as to say that those who have embraced kizomba have no interest in salsa, to be fair, some of them could be Salseros too. while others not.
There is almost a "keeping up with the jones', feel to it IMO .
Ie: "if the other event plays x and we don't then maybe everyone will go to that event and nobody come to ours"
but you have made a very good point, this music is as much of a deterrent as it is an attraction
DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
True, and that's not what I said, however I do believe most who embrace kizomba are unlikely to have any sort of genuine appreciation for salsa.
I actually believe that it is far more of a deterrent than an attraction; an opinion that is nothing to do with my personal disgust over the issue.
Maybe the salsa scene needs to die before it can lose all the rubbish aspects that have become integral, and thus begin again with some sort of solid foundation i.e. people in power who actually want to promote classic salsa music, in any of its many forms. At present, it seems a salsa night playing salsa music (i.e. not including all the English language, psuedo salsa crap that seems to be the only survivor as the scene shrinks) is fast becoming an anachronism.
Winston
Son
Same music, different dance
You play something like this:
and in the UK everyone starts dancing kizomba. In the Netherlands everyone starts dancing zouk.
Zouk dancing is more enjoyable with music with melody, while dancing kizomba is better on music with heavy beats. In the middle you have kizomba love. Both dance styles will feel good. Depends on the lady for me then, which one I will dance.
Kizomba has it's own music style originnaly. Zouk music is derived from RNB with a zouk beat, or kizomba love music, or any remix of contemporay music. Because of this you can also dance kizomba on other zouk music.
DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
What do you mean by stay? You mean it will survive? Very probable. It will remain as an integral part of the salsa scene? Whether the salsa scene will survive, and if so k****** will remain a part of it, are both a lot less certain imo. I could well imagine it being banished from the salsa scene if all the anti-salsa salsa lovers find something better to do and leave the scene.
Ok, there was no kizomba forum so I went and created one. I've been dancing kizomba about 2 years on-and-off. There's not much online and no real place to ask questions etc. so I created this forum.
If you're into kizomba, please join and contribute to the discussion.
If you're looking for kizomba classes and events, we have a listing.
If you're a teacher or promoter, here is your chance to add your class/event to our listing.
Many thanks. To find the forum, search for "kizomba forums" on facebook. The link is on that page.
If you're into kizomba, please join and contribute to the discussion.
If you're looking for kizomba classes and events, we have a listing.
If you're a teacher or promoter, here is your chance to add your class/event to our listing.
Many thanks. To find the forum, search for "kizomba forums" on facebook. The link is on that page.
A kizomba forum for all kizomba and related topics: dance (including angolan kizomba, french style kizomba, zouk, semba, tarraxinha), music (kizomba, semba, ghetto zouk etc.), worldwide listing of kizomba events (kizomba parties and kizomba congresses), and worldwide listings of kizomba classes....
I'm unable to post the link here but you can find it under the page "Kizomba Forums" on facebook
I'm unable to post the link here but you can find it under the page "Kizomba Forums" on facebook
I hated kizomba when I first encountered it but then an opportunity came up to take some classes locally and I thought "why not?". Now I'm really getting into it, partly for all of the reasons you mention above and partly because the salsa scene where I live is being ruined by (IMHO) a combination of ultra-competitiveness and purism.
I agree that salsa music is far superior to kizomba (even taking into account the "roots" kizomba, as well as the commercial ghetto zouk). I find I'm getting more and more into the music, even taking up bongos and congas to play at home lol, while less and less into the dance and nights out for reasons mentioned above.
The kizomba scene is fresh still, and there's a buzz around it that the purists and social rejects have squeezed out of salsa (IMHO lol).
Kizomba for dancing and salsa for listening!
Ruined by "purism "?.. elaborate, please
There were a few people (DJs and promoters) who were pushing a very purist type of salsa. I'm talking about only playing stuff that sounds like it was recorded before 1970 and refusing to play popular modern salsa like Marc Anthony for example. Also looking down their noses at salsa from any other countries outside of USA and Puerto Rico. I'm not talking about only playing a few songs from outside their interest range. I'm talking about playing zero. And its not even recognizable stuff, like the old classics.
Also there is less and less emphasis on what makes a good "club" night. General knowledge of putting on a night so people enjoy. Like focus on lighting etc.
RESULT? the parties are less accessible for the beginners, improvers and casual fans. We don't hear stuff we hear in other party scenes in cities of similar size and skill level. The numbers attending parties and classes are going down. Hardly any new people coming in. If things continue the scene is going to atrophy and die here. I give it 2 years max. We are in a small isolated European city, we can't afford to be so purist. These couple of people are playing for an audience of about 5 (themselves included) who really enjoy the old stuff. Unfortunately they've got themselves into positions of power so they can dictate the music policy on some nights.
IMHO.
Also there is less and less emphasis on what makes a good "club" night. General knowledge of putting on a night so people enjoy. Like focus on lighting etc.
RESULT? the parties are less accessible for the beginners, improvers and casual fans. We don't hear stuff we hear in other party scenes in cities of similar size and skill level. The numbers attending parties and classes are going down. Hardly any new people coming in. If things continue the scene is going to atrophy and die here. I give it 2 years max. We are in a small isolated European city, we can't afford to be so purist. These couple of people are playing for an audience of about 5 (themselves included) who really enjoy the old stuff. Unfortunately they've got themselves into positions of power so they can dictate the music policy on some nights.
IMHO.
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