Who can lead double spins comfortably while facing away from her?

olamalam

olamalam

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And how?

In ideal world, follower should feel any difference between normal double spin and spinning from back. However it doesnt seem quite possible to me. Hence, I avoid that move.

How do you lead that move? How do you prep? How can you keep your hand position so that your partner doesnt feel any difference? videos welcome too.

Girls, how do you feel while following that move? Do guys lead you comfortably?
 
One guy in my venue was sometimes leading his ex GF into double right spin behind his back. I can't remember if I tried it or not - I think it should work with some of girls, but I'm not much thrilled by spinning the girls anyway, especially not behind my back (I prefer to watch how she spins). But sometimes I do a move where I'm starting with the lady behind my back, doing single right spin myself (finishing in the same position) and leading her into single right spin behind my back after that.
 
I think the main problem is most people arent that flexible in that position, you could maybe try stretching/isolations to improve greater range of motion, also you shouldnt be totally back to back, I imagine you should be somewhat angled to your partner whilst you look over your shoulder... obviously the less you see of your partner the harder (and more uncomfortable) your making it for yourself and her
 
When you say it is not possible for you - do you mean when you try this move the girl normally only does a single turn or something else?
 
salsology said:
When you say it is not possible for you - do you mean when you try this move the girl normally only does a single turn or something else?
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I tried a couple of times, when the follow can power her own spins, it seems it works but I'm not sure if it's comfortable or if she feels any difference. However, most of the time we both felt something akward.

I'm saying not quite possible since I cant provide the same hand/finger position or rotation that I do as I lead regular double spin. Also there's another problem with prep. Even though I lead some multiple spins without prep (after certain moves, follower is already prepared for a multiple spin) in this kind of spin I can't get her into a auto prep position so I feel like I need to prep her before hand. This doesnt seem possible either.

You know my style, I dont lead uncomfortable moves and most of my repertoire is suitable for girls from all levels. This is why I dont lead that move anymore.
I just wonder if people use that move even if it's uncomfortable or they found a way to do it naturally (like regular double spin).
 
olamalam said:
Me doing the move? No. I dont lead risky moves while recording myself :tongue:
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No, I mean of a competent person performing the move you are referring to.

I can think of spins that look like they're behind his back, but he twists so that she's kind of in front of him even though his feet are planted facing away from her.
 
sweavo said:
No, I mean of a competent person performing the move you are referring to.

I can think of spins that look like they're behind his back, but he twists so that she's kind of in front of him even though his feet are planted facing away from her.
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I've seen it on youtube or some instructors doing it once upon a time ago but at the moment no, I dont have it. I'm sure kbitten have it though :)
 
Of course it's good to twist the body towards the lady

Single spin looks like here, at 2:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-jlFN7pMdw
 
I used to do this move but found it relied on good technique from my partner and it has fallen into the vault of 'moves-I-vaguely-know-but-don't-really-do-anymore'.

The reaching (and leading) backwards over your shoulder feels a bit unnatural to me and I feel like I need to put a lot more into it than I do when my partner is in front of me, but that seems to work it out.

Edit: The guy explains it a little at time 5:50 in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=97Bxxnl7Veg#!
 
Yes, that's the move, preceded with the guy's spin as I mentioned
I don't have speakers at the comp in the office so can't check his explanation, but I think that it's important to start leading this spin (whether single or double) by extending the right arm more to the side of axis of the lady than usual when leading the spins in salsa, giving her the rotation by relatively sharp move of the hand and then bring it back above her head once she starts rotating. I'm using the same principle when leading one figure in b/r rumba called rope spin (just that the lady does the turn in front of me in that case)
 
Also had a bunch of guys lead me in this this Saturday. Almost all do it as a double pulsed turn, with a lot of them it feels like (or actually is) two single spins that follow each other.
The better ones make it feel more continuous whilst still pulsing to lead it, and indicating early via energy/momentum that it is going to be a double.

Had one guy lead this amazingly so it felt super smooth and like a regular double.

This is what it felt like he did:

Can you lead a regular right turn that turns into a spin on the 3 (on2 timing) ie follower steps onto her 2 (her left foot), steps and pivots onto her right foot on the 3 but at that point leader turns it into a double spin?

This was this guy's way of leading the double behind the leaders back. I found it easier to follow and keep balanced; to me it feels like the leader indicated via the energy supplied that it is going to be a double. He timed it perfectly, so my weight was on my right foot on the 3 and it wasn't led too early on the 2, which I guess would be confusing, but it was led kinda going into the 3. Sorry - kinda crappy explanation, it was so fast, and I only noticed how it was led because he also led some regular right turns into double spins in the same way - maybe he used this to check the follower could spin with this kind of lead into the move?
 
Quite a few leaders have told me that they find this hard to lead and that often the ladies do not execute the second turn.
I think it likely that the fault lays with the both the lead and the follow.
In my earlier days I often missed this lead, so I think this is an example where the follow will need some familiarity with the move. I do not think it is one of those moves you can lead a beginner through no matter how good your lead.
I can't explain the technicalities of the lead but only what I feel. Like LG says there is build up of energy so I know that it is going to be a double before the first turn is executed. And it is pulse led - the lead pulsing his arm/hand back twice to indicate two turns - delivering two pizzas (if that makes any sense).
I have even had a triple done on me like this.
 
olamalam said:
I've seen it on youtube or some instructors doing it once upon a time ago but at the moment no, I dont have it. I'm sure kbitten have it though :)
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I have but not gonna help u this time kkk but when the girl miss this move is always the guy's fault.
 
olamalam said:
I'm saying not quite possible since I cant provide the same hand/finger position or rotation that I do as I lead regular double spin. Also there's another problem with prep. .
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Exactly the problem. It seems like it's a very awkward move to lead and most guys don't do the first hand rotation quickly enough so then you realise late that they are wanting another turn.
 
Question: Who can lead double spins comfortably while facing away from her?
Answer: Anichi :tongue:
youtube.com/watch?v=fMTPToXdvnA&t=1m
 
Salsacore said:
Question: Who can lead double spins comfortably while facing away from her?
Answer: Anichi :tongue:
youtube.com/watch?v=fMTPToXdvnA&t=1m
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haha I knew this answer, he did a small show after workshop I've attended. But it's not counted since he is leading his own partner who is a great spinner.

But at least this video is giving a clue, Anichi is doing a scoop before starting the which provides the prep. And leading with right right hand hold, probably it's easier. Also he twists his body quite a lot.
 
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