What would it take for salsa to have a revival?

Salsa is mostly a fast dance, and in the 2010s many dancers told me it's too fast for them and so they switched to slower bachata / kizomba, where they often stand still and don't even move their legs anymore. The music taste in general was in favor for slower music the last years. The same in WCS, the music they dance to has strongly slowed down compared to videos from the 90s. Even in salsa we had the EU on2 movement preferring slower moves to slower music.

So for making salsa attractive again you need people liking faster music and dancing faster again. There is a chance because after many years of preference of slow dancing / slow music the preference might change again. But fashions are hard to predict.
One of the appeals of salsa indeed was it is a fast dance when compared to others. That is why people danced it and liked it.

EU festival scene is too small to impact salsa dancing trend outside of Europe. Within Europe too, it hardly impacts say Cuban salsa scene.

I don’t think there is any EU on2 movement. When I actively danced, only a small number were dancing slowed down new age salsa.

Each scene develops its own vernacular of salsa dancing. When people shared the same space dancing the ideas and movements get borrowed and converge. EU festival scene can be considered an equivalent of city level scene. Certain music choices, dancing style, etc evolve and converge. It is like people from different places speaking a language with mild regional accent.

It is hard to tell whether (at least) in the USA salsa dancing got diffused, stagnated, or stopped growing. Because we are only talking about the studio trained dancers. The scene is a lot bigger when you consider casual dancers who do not behave like studio trained dancers.

Locally I went to two socials in the past seven days. After a long gap. One is relatively new which started a couple of years back. The other is probably the oldest running social. Both cater to dancers who learnt salsa in salsa school or studios. The first one is not on2 specific but is dominated by on2 dancers. The oldest running one was always on2 space since on1 dancing was far more popular.

In both socials; there were may new faces I had never seen before. Each social had different new faces. Probably because they were in different parts of the metro region. The weather was also bad past seven day with heavy downpour. One in the city and other in the nearby smaller city. Public transport makes it difficult for city folks to go to neighbouring city without using uber for connection between public transport node and studio location. That social still follows traditional timing of 10.30pm to 2am. There are several three or four competing places around the metro area that you could go dancing on the same night. I exchanged notes with regulars and everyone said the same thing. The ratio was something like 15% regulars and 85% new faces. There were between 70 to 100 dancers at each location. At the traditionally on2 location, the skill level of new faces was relatively better. Like those dancing for a year or two. One of my friends speculated whether it was bass bunny effect. My counter was most of these new faces must have started taking classes a year or two earlier. If this trend continues locally, then a lot of fresh blood is entering the scene at the socials I go to. Let’s see where the things are in six months.
 
When I said SBK decimated salsa I meant more that when SBK became the dominant social format in many places salsa on it's own ceased to become a thing. The focus on SBK has led to a massive diluting of salsa, both in dance and music quality. SBK has basically ushered in a jack of all trades master of none approach, it's like one of those world buffet type restaurants, yes you can get different cuisines but will any of it actually be any good?

Whether salsa teachers & promoters are to blame for that is another point, probably, absolutely. But salsa itself i.e the music & the dance has been massively impacted by SBK, at least in the UK outside London. Basically there is no salsa scene in many places now it's purely SBK. And imho SBK is very different to pure salsa or Cuban events for quality of dance and music.
 
I don’t think there is any EU on2 movement. When I actively danced, only a small number were dancing slowed down new age salsa.

Would you say people in EU dance On2 differently than people in the US?

I remember you said once that you can tell from watching a video whether the video was shot in EU or in the USA.

I believe there is an EU 'flavor' of dancing On2 that can be felt and maybe even seen. Not everyone is dancing this very slow, almost 'zoukish' style of Salsa On2, but the trend seems to be leaning more in that direction. But there's enough diversity to say that it's not widespread.

EU festival scene can be considered an equivalent of city level scene.

This is an interesting perspective. It is often cited that EU On2 festival dancing represents the best of Salsa dancing in the entire EU. What you're getting is the 'best' from every place, but not necessarily the most representative.

I'm sure that local Parisians dance differently than the local Londoners, or to the local Milanese or to the Greeks in Athens.

EU festival scene is quite small but is influential in its own right. It definitely gets more exposure than any other social dancing scene on the planet.

And why shouldn't it? Social dancing is the focus of these festivals, which is why people like going to them.
 
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But salsa itself i.e the music & the dance has been massively impacted by SBK, at least in the UK outside London.

SBK is the most dominant form of social dancing locally and in every other locality I am aware of. Hosting a Salsa only night is becoming a thing of the past. From what I've seen, Salsa festivals, weekenders and marathons have taken over that role.

The casual dancing crowd though is making it impossible to host a Salsa only night with their constant whinging to organizers of "We don't want to dance to only this stupid fast Salsa" Meanwhile, those SBK DJs suck at finding variance in music. To them Cuban music is Salsaton, Linear music is Mark Anthony or boring Romantica, Bachata is mish mashed pop, and Kizomba is dark room fodder. Perfect for the non discriminating forever beginner dancer prowling the scene. Being old and stubborn, I refuse to support that scene with my patronage. By and large, that crowd doesn't want or need good music/dancing.
 
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Since I'm a dancer, my concern is whether or not dancers are dancing Salsa. And it seems like they are not.
Well, let's look at this forum itself as an indicator. Just checked, at this moment it shows 1500+ people online but members are literally a handful. Since this is explicitly a salsa forum, reasonable to assume that bulk of the 1500 are newbies and Beginner Hell sufferers, no?

So, new blood pipeline is there. But the hump is too high that pitiful few flow in. I always thought that the biggest failure lies in teaching community as a whole, since after all these years hardly anything is done to make Hell less daunting. And this goes into the heart of this thread.
 
Would you say people in EU dance On2 differently than people in the US?
Differently only in terms of flavour. Like LA on2 will have a different flavour than SF on2 or NYC on2. You can dance fluently cross-city.
I remember you said once that you can tell from watching a video whether the video was shot in EU or in the USA.
Yes but that had to do with the way it was shot. Not about dancing.

I believe there is an EU 'flavor' of dancing On2 that can be felt and maybe even seen.

Yes. I had also said by dancing at the Wau festivals you could tell someone was from NY or USA.
Not everyone is dancing this very slow, almost 'zoukish' style of Salsa On2, but the trend seems to be leaning more in that direction. But there's enough diversity to say that it's not widespread.
As I haven’t danced there in the past 3-4 years, my comment was about the earlier period and was emphasizing diversity when you have 1000+ people at a festival.

This is an interesting perspective. It is often cited that EU On2 festival dancing represents the best of Salsa dancing in the entire EU. What you're getting is the 'best' from every place, but not necessarily the most representative.
There is adaption by osmosis. When I talked about each city developing its own way of dancing, that is what I meant. It is not be design. Some of what others around you are dancing rubs off on you.

I'm sure that local Parisians dance differently than the local Londoners, or to the local Milanese or to the Greeks in Athens.
That was my point.

As to influence of EU festival scene, it is only so for a certain segment of dancers.
 
SBK's didn't decimate Salsa. Salsa decimated salsa.......
You know it Bro!! It’s become too complex, lacking fun. It’s all about training and competitions (Of which there is a place). A lot of the newer dancers don’t want to social dance. It’s tough enough learning On2 and then you throw in all the arm wrestling, no wonder people struggle. MSDGA (Make social dancing great again). Don’t get started with the music ! Didn’t know the 40 year old music Romantica was ‘modern’ salsa.
 
Just checked, at this moment it shows 1500+ people online

1500+ online?! I have the feeling they're mostly bots.

Salsa hell is real, though. People not only run away from Salsa at first sign of trouble, they get cannabalized by the Bachata boogeymen.
 

But then the Bad Bunny track dropped: “And boom, my classes doubled in size,” he said, “and I had young dancers back in the studio.”

By the end of 2025, the influx of new dancers had tapered, but the Super Bowl show seems to be starting a new wave. Castro-Pozo said that her event the next day was already “full of new faces.”

“New York salsa dancers are famous for being snobby about their music,” said the dancer and scholar Ahtoy Juliana. “We preserve the past by continuing to dance to songs from a generation or two generations ago, so when new music comes out, we tend to turn up our noses to it.”

Immediate dismissal wasn’t the reaction to Bad Bunny’s song, though, which surprised Juliana. Even at socials like Jimmy Anton’s or the one run by the popular teachers Joel Dominguez and Maria Palmieri called La Vieja Guardia, or the Old Guard or Old School — regulars also call it church — the song was accepted.
 
Disappointed they didn't interview me for a quote. How could they not think to consult the great rheemixed, starter of the very relevant salsa revival thread on the vaunted salsaforums site???
 
"It’s also significant that the teacher in the video is a woman. “This is an industry very dominated by men,” Livolsi said. “Women all over the world wrote to me about how having a woman represented as the leader inspired them.”"

I didn't think about it, but true.

Good article. I checked the writer "only" writes about dancing but all kind of dances, not every newspaper can deliver such quality.
 
Disappointed they didn't interview me for a quote. How could they not think to consult the great rheemixed, starter of the very relevant salsa revival thread on the vaunted salsaforums site???
Yes, he missed that, and it's obvious Bad Bunny read the thread here and wondered what he could do about it...
 
Just look at Bachata Sensual. A trend that started in Europe that now dominates globally.
Not sure about that. I have yet to see or hear of an event that is promoted as bachata sensual in the US and I have yet to see more than one or two couples dancing sensual to regular bachata music at socials in south Florida.

What I have seen is that bachata is on the decline and salsa has been growing again, although very slowly - at least that is the trajectory in south Florida where the salsa scene is about 90% Latino.
 
Not sure about that. I have yet to see or hear of an event that is promoted as bachata sensual in the US and I have yet to see more than one or two couples dancing sensual to regular bachata music at socials in south Florida.

What I have seen is that bachata is on the decline and salsa has been growing again, although very slowly - at least that is the trajectory in south Florida where the salsa scene is about 90% Latino.

Maybe Florida has enough of a Dominican population? But from what I've heard Chris is generally correct -- e.g. if you go to bachata class in Colombia chances are it'll be sensual.
 
Not sure about that. I have yet to see or hear of an event that is promoted as bachata sensual in the US and I have yet to see more than one or two couples dancing sensual to regular bachata music at socials in south Florida.
I was going to say the something. BS is primarily in Europe and Korea. I guess because the BS influencers use insta and TikTok, it feels like global.

I have been saying for a long time that except for isolated pockets, BS doesn’t exist in the USA. Some salsa and bachata instructors host BS stars from Europe now and the for the next workshops. Still I see very little BE dancing at 200-400 people packed Bachata at say SF SBK. Lot of other SBK or salsa congresses with bachata room also don’t have too much BS dancing.

The DJ is different. They try to play latest trend in BS music but people aren’t dancing BS.
 
Maybe Florida has enough of a Dominican population? But from what I've heard Chris is generally correct -- e.g. if you go to bachata class in Colombia chances are it'll be sensual.
I don’t know about Latin America. In the USA I have been to fair bit of festivals and seen bachata dancing in different parts. Very small numbers try to dance BS.

Also a class is not a good indicator of how bachata is danced in the larger population. Based on my dancing bachata with South Americans, I did not find any BS. Most South Americans unless they have taken specific salsa classes, dance very simple salsa.
 
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