Top 10 behaviors for guys to avoid at the salsa clubs (and not be creepy)

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Courtesy of the addicted2salsa website.

For all of the guys out there wondering what goes through the minds of salseras (or women in general), I sat down with some fellow lady dancers and discussed behaviors that guys should avoid at the club. In any dance culture, there is a certain unspoken etiquette. For those who are new to salsa dancing, these tips may come in handy so that you don’t give the wrong vibe.

1. We don’t endorse the use of force.
Ask the lady to dance with you, don’t tell her she is going to dance with you. Grabbing her wrist and urging, “Come on. Just one song” does not fly. If she declines, the best reaction is to acknowledge her choice and walk away. No verbal persuasion, cajoling or physical dragging should be utilized - especially when her boyfriend is around. If she gives the bathroom excuse, do not wait for her outside the bathroom- that is just plain creepy.

2. Ask her twice, she’ll turn to ice.
You can ask twice in one night, but not one right after the other. When a song has ended, it is best not to ask her to dance right away. Even if you both seemed to have fun, give it some time and leave her wanting more… that is much better than risking her wanting to push you away.

3. Yakkity Yak? We won’t come back.
Leave the chatting to Cathy! Keep talking to a minimum- exchanging names and where you are from at the beginning of the song is fine, but what the ladies don’t like is when guys sacrifice the dance itself, and end up doing basic step the whole song while chatting. This comes across as hitting on us.

4. Giving advice is not very nice.
A HUGE dancing no-no is giving lessons on the dance floor. Many guys assume the girl is a beginner (and if she is not, this is extremely insulting) and give her lessons or tips while dancing. Advice has its place…in the studio.

5. Look at her eyes, not at the prize
Maybe the girl is so enthralling (read: hot) you want to gaze into her eyes (or somewhere else) while dancing–but resist this temptation. It comes across as predatorial. Staring at her the entire time without blinking comes across sort of serial killer-ish. On the other hand, too little eye contact comes across as disinterested. Ladies appreciate a lead who makes eye contact now and then, to “check in”, or establish a connection. This ensures that both of us are having fun.

6. Hug me too tight, I’ll put up a fight
How close is too close? Dancing is in essence a sensual activity, but everyone has their own limits, and crossing them can have negative consequences. Certain types of contact are more personal than others, like touching the face, stomach, or butt. These are areas that you should completely avoid with strangers (and yes, we are aware of the trick where your hands on our back keep getting lower, and lower…we don’t like it). Pay attention to the lady’s feedback. If her arm is around you on your shoulderblade, it’s a good sign. If, however, her left hand has wandered to the FRONT of your shoulder, and she is slightly pushing you away, you are too close.

7. Don’t Drink and Dance
One or two drinks is fine, but if we can smell it on your breath, chances are you are sloppier than you think, and might even be more flirtatious than you think. This can affect both dancing skills AND etiquette. Oh, and PLEASE don’t spill your drink on the floor!!! (Note: if you have alcohol on your breath and get too close, it sends the message that you only want one thing).

8. It’s raining, it’s pouring…oh wait…that’s your sweat?!
Let’s talk about shirts. Some of my male friends bring an extra shirt (or three) when they go out dancing, and the ladies love it! Anyone will appreciate someone who has good hygiene (showers are good, deodorant is good, a little body spray/cologne is nice, onions and B.O. are NOT so good). Axe makes a body spray that can fit in your pocket (or car), which could be handy. Though the girl may not seem to notice, she will subconsciously, and will be much more excited to dance with you again. Guys, you can read Anthony’s “The Salsa Axe Effect” for more details.

9. Bumper cars make us see stars
There is no better way to get a girl to leave than letting her get her foot crunched by another girl’s heel. “Oh! I’m in pain! I guess I’ll have to go sit down…” We know that much is out of your control, and sometimes dance floors get crazy, but just try your best to help us stay safe on the dance floor. If we are bumping into people right and left, we may begin to believe that you are not looking out for us at all. Ladies like to get rescued, right? Well, rescue us from injury with a simple cross body lead away from the potential offender. We appreciate that as a modern form of chivalry.

10. Dancing With The Stars is a show on ABC
Not every lady’s dying dream at a club. In fact, too much showing off is a huge turn-off. This includes, but is not limited to: dips, tricks, dancing for your “audience” instead of for/with your partner, and in some locations*, that move in which the guy plants his feet and waits as his partner is expected to “do her thing” (*avoid this if you live anywhere other than Los Angeles). On the flip side, try not to go into autopilot, going through your moves mechanically rather than dancing to the music (we’ll get bored). Women REALLY appreciate a good connection when we dance, and if you are showing off for others or on autopilot, we won’t feel it. This is an area where you can get major points, regardless of level. Ladies can have a blast with a total beginner if he is into the music, and establishes a good connection during the dance.

Breaking any of these rules of etiquette will increase the probability that you will not get future dances with the girl. Why? She may have misinterpreted your intentions. The important thing is to understand what different behaviors and body language communicate. Since these 10 behaviors are all ways you can possibly offend salseras, it is better to err on the side of caution, and get lots of repeat dances with very satisfied ladies. I recommend getting a group together just like I did and asking them what they think…you might make some interesting discoveries. Follow up with this discussion in the community section…guys, we want your opinions too! What behaviors should the ladies avoid at clubs?
 
Courtesy of the addicted2salsa website.

2. Ask her twice, she’ll turn to ice.
You can ask twice in one night, but not one right after the other. When a song has ended, it is best not to ask her to dance right away. Even if you both seemed to have fun, give it some time and leave her wanting more… that is much better than risking her wanting to push you away.

Note: this is a US rule. Germany & Switzerland, the rule is 2 songs back-to-back, Spain and Czech Republic are more like US rule but not strictly so. Not sure about the rest of Europe, Asia, Latin America, Australia or anywhere else.
 
Oh no, we're going to make beginner guys so self-conscious, they will never leave the bar! :)
My personal list of turn-offs does not include numbers 2, 5, 8 (the sweat part), and 10 - just to make a point that these rules are not set in stone and vary from person to person, not just country to country.
 
Most of them sound reasonable. Good idea to compile such a list - guys, pay attention. However, more importantly, pay attention to your partner - is she enjoying it? is she smiling? is she really dancing or going through the motions waiting for the song to end?

Because these rules are just guidelines and girls can differ in what they want and what they like. I for example like to be asked for the next song if I really enjoyed the first one. Why not? The etiquette on this one in the UK seems to be: don't always ask but if you really want to - go for it. Also if you dance with somebody for the first time it might take some adjusting of styles, so, the second dance might actually be better than the first one.

As for 10, I am one of these girls who like to show off a bit :oops: Guilty! But it is as much for the audience as it is for my partner. Don't we all like to look good in front of our partners (and why not for all other people who are watching us)? If we didn't like it why would we care about lady stying - keep it functional, lift arms whenever necessary and don't bother with body movement and other unnecessary things.

I actually like to be given the space to express myself - shines or other ways to improvise and shape the dance. Just following the guy with no input from myself is not enough for me, it makes me feel like a robot. So guys, if you ever dance with me, a little freedom from time to time would be highly appreciated :D

So, my take on 10 is: if you are one of those guys who likes showing off, shines, etc. try it gently with the girl. If she seems to like it, go for it. If the stiffens up, doesn't know what to do, gets confused or doesn't show any signs that she enjoys it, then stop and just do a normal dance.
 
SnowDancer, I know some girls like to talk a bit before they dance with somebody. I've heard that in some countries it is not good manners to ask a stranger to dance before you've introduced yourself, talked a bit and then it's not a problem.

I however really don't like talking while I dance - find myself just waiting for the guy to shut up and start dancing. Because you cannot do both at the same time and my priority on the dance floor is dancing. No objections to talking after the dance, especially after a really good dance :)
 
Note: this is a US rule. Germany & Switzerland, the rule is 2 songs back-to-back, Spain and Czech Republic are more like US rule but not strictly so. Not sure about the rest of Europe, Asia, Latin America, Australia or anywhere else.

In Australia there's no hard and fast rule. You dance with someone, if you're both feeling like another then go right ahead.

It is seen as a bit rude to "hog" someone for more than 2 dances, though.
 
Don't many women enjoy conversation during the dance? Not all talk can be interpreted as 'hitting on her'.

A bit off topic but I've always wondered - how are you supposed to hit on a girl without hitting on her? I'm back into dating, am looking for a woman who also dances, and am wondering how to go about it. Or am I doomed?

Ok on topic - I'm sure its fine to talk as long as you're also dancing, and I suppose it also depends on how you talk to her - whether you're trying to impress her or simply talking as a friend.
 
3. Yakkity Yak? We won’t come back.
Leave the chatting to Cathy! Keep talking to a minimum- exchanging names and where you are from at the beginning of the song is fine, but what the ladies don’t like is when guys sacrifice the dance itself, and end up doing basic step the whole song while chatting. This comes across as hitting on us.
haha, i actually did this in the beginning when i didn't know many patterns and was building my repertoire with classes. the basic step does get boring but i had to use the time somehow.hehe. in the process, i made TONS of female friends as they really got to know me and i know i can always count on them for a dance no matter what (of course being 100 times better doesn't hurt, ;)).
 
A bit off topic but I've always wondered - how are you supposed to hit on a girl without hitting on her? I'm back into dating, am looking for a woman who also dances, and am wondering how to go about it. Or am I doomed?
are you only using the salsa club nights or classes as well?? i think getting to know someone from the salsa classes is much easier for this. in the clubs, its all about the dancing but there is time to "hit" between songs.
 
In Australia there's no hard and fast rule. You dance with someone, if you're both feeling like another then go right ahead.

It is seen as a bit rude to "hog" someone for more than 2 dances, though.

Same in Toronto at least. I doubt this rule can be generalized like this. But yea, 2 dances maximum, unless of course your both mutually want to continue dancing.


Ok on topic - I'm sure its fine to talk as long as you're also dancing, and I suppose it also depends on how you talk to her - whether you're trying to impress her or simply talking as a friend.

I do this all the time. Nothing like a bit of chit-chat like how was your winter break, or what's new.

Typically tho, if she is mutually attracted to you after some minor chitchat on the dance floor, you can certainly try to isolate her to a different location like was noted.
 
strongly disagree with number 2 - if i've enjoyed the dance, i especially want to do 2-in-a-row, whilst the vibe is there. :cool:

i'd add - not staring at her breasts, not constantly putting your hands on her whilst dancing or not, even on 'neutral' areas like shoulder or waist, not asking her where she lives...and especially not for her address (this actually happened to me last week, LOL :eek:), not staring all night from across the room, never putting your hand inside her clothing, not 'grooming' someone you barely know (eg, smoothing their hair or picking a piece of fluff off them).

how to pull at salsa without seeming creepy...? i'd go for the 'try to sense whether there's a vibe, then ask her to go for coffee' route. normally, sensual touching is very seductive for women, but the problem is that during a salsa dance she's more-or-less trapped, which can make it unwelcome. a good rule of thumb, imho, is if she asks you to close-bachata with her more than once, then you could up the physicality in general...
 
Note: this is a US rule. Germany & Switzerland, the rule is 2 songs back-to-back, Spain and Czech Republic are more like US rule but not strictly so. Not sure about the rest of Europe, Asia, Latin America, Australia or anywhere else.

In the LA clubs it's all over the place. If you know someone and want to dance a few tunes in a row, that's fine. But it's usually the established dancers dancing with people they know who dance multiples. Newer partners are traditionally single dance events in the clubs. Two in a row are max, three around here and people think you want to get a room.

Unless there is a style change (Cha Cha Cha or Bachata followed by a Salsa or the reverse), I'm a guy who rarely asks for a second dance, one after another. Too many great follows and not enough night. But even if I loved the dance, I'd rather look forward to another great dance later than do them back-to-back.

Most nights I don't ask the same follows twice, although over a couple years I've built a small list of exceptions to that rule.
 
A bit off topic but I've always wondered - how are you supposed to hit on a girl without hitting on her? I'm back into dating, am looking for a woman who also dances, and am wondering how to go about it. Or am I doomed?

LOL I'm in the same situation. We're both doomed!

You know what, if she feels like dancing and I feel like talking, then there's no reason why we can't both get what we want out of the experience.

"Just dance don't talk" is the most socially retarded rule I ever heard. It's like everyone becomes autistic when they learn to dance. Conversation doesn't mean sex, conversation is conversation.

Use your lead like a lobsterpot. Give every girl in the place a Cinderella experience so that all the ladies know you can turn water into hot chocolate. Pay compliments and completely ignore any come-on signals. After a year or two of this, you will be a salsa prince. Then it's time for the EVIL part of the plan... once you are an irresistable superstar, insist on HAVING CONVERSATIONs with girls who want to dance with you! Muahhahahah! They will be unable to refuse!
 
Okay so the list is a useful guide but NO they are not rules to be strictly adhered to. Heck some girls are going to be fed up with you if you won't dance again after a fantastic dance or refuse to talk/look at them!

And Sweavo, hope you have your trusty steed ready for when one of the cinderellas loses a shoe :)


ps I'm quite happy being hit on by the right guy - it's only the ones I show no interest in but persist are tough to deal with. Where else am I going to date when I spend most of my life at salsa!
 
Use your lead like a lobsterpot. Give every girl in the place a Cinderella experience so that all the ladies know you can turn water into hot chocolate. Pay compliments and completely ignore any come-on signals. After a year or two of this, you will be a salsa prince. Then it's time for the EVIL part of the plan... once you are an irresistable superstar, insist on HAVING CONVERSATIONs with girls who want to dance with you! Muahhahahah! They will be unable to refuse!

Lol what a plan, what a genius! :P
 
LOL I'm in the same situation. We're both doomed!

You know what, if she feels like dancing and I feel like talking, then there's no reason why we can't both get what we want out of the experience.

"Just dance don't talk" is the most socially retarded rule I ever heard. It's like everyone becomes autistic when they learn to dance. Conversation doesn't mean sex, conversation is conversation.

Use your lead like a lobsterpot. Give every girl in the place a Cinderella experience so that all the ladies know you can turn water into hot chocolate. Pay compliments and completely ignore any come-on signals. After a year or two of this, you will be a salsa prince. Then it's time for the EVIL part of the plan... once you are an irresistable superstar, insist on HAVING CONVERSATIONs with girls who want to dance with you! Muahhahahah! They will be unable to refuse!

My main reason for not having conversations is that I hate yelling over the speaker system in a crowded room. If I have a conversation, I like to sit on a comfy couch, in relative quiet, one on one, so I can focus on my thoughts and the other person. The salsa club setting is not conducive to that at all. In fact, I don't understand why people go to "hang out" at clubs - that seems to involve mostly standing around, drinking, and yelling at each other. That said, I do enjoy chatting a bit with people I know, as long as they accept that my main goal there is to dance.
 
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