Timing of Salsa Music

timberamayor said:
You are nitpicking ;), but indeed correct. Lots of chachachá in rock for example. But Azzey's right that you don't get the same "groove" or "feel" dancing salsa to other music. Watching the US finals of Dancing with the Stars the other day (not by choice) and it just looked and felt totally wrong for them to dance samba and chachacha to songs that were not samba or chachacha. The judges seemed to think it was intended as a challenge to dance to songs that have nothing to do with the dance genre, but to me it was just yuck. No groove just dancing choreography by numbers to some popular radio songs.
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You're just jealous because there are no salsa to r&b nights where you live.

You could always move to the E Mids (UK).
 
timberamayor said:
You are nitpicking ;), but indeed correct. Lots of chachachá in rock for example. But Azzey's right that you don't get the same "groove" or "feel" dancing salsa to other music. Watching the US finals of Dancing with the Stars the other day (not by choice) and it just looked and felt totally wrong for them to dance samba and chachacha to songs that were not samba or chachacha. The judges seemed to think it was intended as a challenge to dance to songs that have nothing to do with the dance genre, but to me it was just yuck. No groove just dancing choreography by numbers to some popular radio songs.
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I totally agree the feel of the music is very different across genres. There are some people here in LA who want to dance salsa to R&B or Hip-hop.

My thought is "why?"

I have nothing against them doing it and if they enjoy it more power to them. I'd prefer to dance hip-hop to hip-hop music, and salsa with salsa. Of course one size rarely fits all, and if they and their partners are having fun, doesn't bother me.
 
UnlikelySalsero said:
I totally agree the feel of the music is very different across genres. There are some people here in LA who want to dance salsa to R&B or Hip-hop.

My thought is "why?"

I have nothing against them doing it and if they enjoy it more power to them. I'd prefer to dance hip-hop to hip-hop music, and salsa with salsa. Of course one size rarely fits all, and if they and their partners are having fun, doesn't bother me.
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NO! They can only have fun MY WAY! ;)
 
UnlikelySalsero said:
Azzey and I rarely disagree, I have great respect for his POV.

Not to nit-pick, but lots of pop, hip-hop and R&B has syncopated rhythms, and plenty have implied clave.

While there may be a strong snare drum on 2 & 4, that doesn't mean all the other drums/instruments are playing a simple pulse. And some do have poly-rhythms.
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Yeah I posted in haste.. I should have said something like "in general less complex syncopated rhythms in pop than Salsa".

Implied Clave comes in more where pop music has been influenced by latin music or has an african root. e.g. fugees, MJB. Which is more and more common these days.

UnlikelySalsero said:
And you're right, there's lots of modern pop mixed with afro-cuban influences. Some is very simple, some is much more complex.

Over time most music styles add elements from others...
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azzey said:
Yeah I posted in haste.. I should have said something like "in general less complex syncopated rhythms in pop than Salsa".

Implied Clave comes in more where pop music has been influenced by latin music or has an african root. e.g. fugees, MJB. Which is more and more common these days.
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Yea, we're on the same page. Lots of HH artists do include latin influences these days. House and techno too. Sometimes I'm surprised but with such a driving consistent primary pulse, many are layering on interesting Afro-Cuban percussion to keep things moving.
 
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