"The Money Masters" - You must see this!

DJ Ara

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs

This is a fascinating documentary that answers such questions as why we have economic crisis; constant wars; declining standards of living and constantly reduced civil rights. You are not likely to see this on any major network TV network, either.

The documentary is long, so it can be watched in parts. Personally speaking once it started, I could not help but watch it in one go. Eventhough the focus seems to be the US, it is good to appreciate that the same people running the US from behind the scenes are also doing the same to the rest of the world. So, the information revealed here is relevant to everyone on this planet.

I highly recommend this for everyone, as we need to be informed of what is going on in the world and who is really running our lives. I am sure that the contents of this video will be of even more interest to the more intellectually oriented members of this forum.

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When we compare continents, the picture is pretty bleak; they all seem to be going to Hell with one exception - South America. The economic and political situations in many, if not most, South American nations are actually improving...and they did it by telling the U.S. to shove it.

That's one reason I like to say Viva la revolucion!
 
When we compare continents, the picture is pretty bleak; they all seem to be going to Hell with one exception - South America. The economic and political situations in many, if not most, South American nations are actually improving...and they did it by telling the U.S. to shove it.

That's one reason I like to say Viva la revolucion!

The problem is that most, if not all of South America is controlled by the same private Central Bank cartels. I suspect that the economy in South America has been left in peace, but will eventually be crashed to transfer wealth from the hands of the middle class (enticed into borrowing money, because of the economic "boom" of the "good times), into the hands of the billionaire banking class. This is what happened exactly in the US and Europe - Boom times followed by the economic (engineered) crisis.

If people in the South America happen to be gullible enough, then the bought and paid for (by the banking cartels) politicial leaders will further rob the masses by passing on their tax money to "rescue" the bankers - just as they did in Europe and South America.

The "aid packages", amounting to trillions of US dollars to "rescue" these private banking cartels (read-criminal enterprises who pick and choose the Presidents and Prime Ministers we apparently "elect"), was probably the biggest day light robbery in modern history. God knows the good this type of money would have done to the ordinary men and women left homeless and jobless by the financial collapsed caused by these banking/corporate cartels, themselves.

Yet, most of the masses are none the wiser, and are focused on their day to day survival and distractions thrown at them by the system.

I live in South America, in Cali, currently and have one foot in Brasil, and I hope that the economic growth lasts long enough for me to secure myself against the inevitable economic "crash", which will have nothing to do with natural business cycles (a complete and utter myth!), as sold to us by bought and paid for politicians and "economists" (LOL).

I believe that the total corruption of the system is being revealed day by day, and that it will eventually come down crashing when people wake up. However, all indications are that things are going to get worse before they get better.

Meanwhile, it is best to avoid debt and living beyond one's means. :D
 
The problem is that most, if not all of South America is controlled by the same private Central Bank cartels. I suspect that the economy in South America has been left in peace, but will eventually be crashed to transfer wealth from the hands of the middle class (enticed into borrowing money, because of the economic "boom" of the "good times), into the hands of the billionaire banking class.

That's a frightening possibility. Fortunately, there are some visionary leaders in South America who I think are doing a pretty good job of steering the region in the right direction. Incidentally, I was discussing central bank cartels on a political forum, and I thought someone said Venezuela and even Brazil had nationalized their banks. I don't know if that's true, but I'm sure it's true of Cuba, which is a big part of the equation.

People who are too stupid to learn from history deserve their fate, so I really hope Latin Americans don't take their newfound (relative) wealth for granted.

However, all indications are that things are going to get worse before they get better.

I'm actually praying for America's collapse, because 1) we've reached the point where it's inevitable, and 2) things can't get better until we hit a brick wall.

Meanwhile, it is best to avoid debt and living beyond one's means. :D

For some of us victims of the economy, that means no salsa. Fortunately, la musica is essentially free. ;)
 
That's a frightening possibility. Fortunately, there are some visionary leaders in South America who I think are doing a pretty good job of steering the region in the right direction. Incidentally, I was discussing central bank cartels on a political forum, and I thought someone said Venezuela and even Brazil had nationalized their banks. I don't know if that's true, but I'm sure it's true of Cuba, which is a big part of the equation.

I have to look into the case of Brasil. Cuba for sure has a nationalized central bank. It is also very possible for Venezuela to have nationalized her bank, because of Chavez's anti imperialist policies. That would also explain why both countries are constantly demonized by the powers that be.

People who are too stupid to learn from history deserve their fate, so I really hope Latin Americans don't take their newfound (relative) wealth for granted.

I agree. However, I would add that the conspiracy to control the world, the so called New World Order (that was denied in the beginning, but is being publicly admitted to now, by major politicians and promoted as a good thing), runs very deep and is promoted all over the world through secret society networks backed by immense financial powers (the private banking cartels).

So, it is not enough for just some leaders to be awake, but also for the masses who throughout the ages have been treated as little more than brainless beasts, not just in South America, but throughout the world. People have just got to be more vigilant and start reading and researching more, specially about true history, and not the dumbed down version fed to all of us in our schools.


For example, people have to find out what the first two world wars were all about. The history of the PRIVATE bank known as the Federal Reserve; the Russian revolution and who was really behind it. Once people find the truth of these historical events, then it will be easier for them to connect the dots and hence figure out the engineered events of today, such as the economic crisis the Terrorist "threat"(:rolleyes:).



I'm actually praying for America's collapse, because 1) we've reached the point where it's inevitable, and 2) things can't get better until we hit a brick wall.

I hope it does not come to that, because many Americans are not going to take it lying down and will take to the streets looking for justice and to punish those political leaders who are nothing but employees of the international banking cartel.

The system knows that and will be waiting. There could be a lot of bloodshed and innocent deaths. That is what the "Patriot" Act (note how the name disguises the actual purpose), all about - controlling dissent and not about fighting invisible cave dwelling terrorists. That is my view and that of 10s of thousands of others - and I hope that I haven't blabbered too much. ;)



For some of us victims of the economy, that means no salsa. Fortunately, la musica is essentially free. ;)

LOL! Until they find a way to tax us for listening to it as well, perhaps to save the planet? LOL!

But yes, music is essential and it is something positive and inspires us to look for a better life for ourselves and other fellow humans. :D
 
But yes, music is essential and it is something positive and inspires us to look for a better life for ourselves and other fellow humans. :D

I like that; political activists like to say "Dissent is essential." Similarly, one could say la musica is essential. Or, as I like to put it, a revolution without dance is a revolution not worth having. ;)
 
What would that involve?

(The collapse, not the praying.)

I can't see the future, and there are so many variables no one could predict exactly what it would look like. However, you might be interested in an article I wrote a year and a half ago - "Comparing Depressions." I sent you the URL via a private message.
 
I like that; political activists like to say "Dissent is essential." Similarly, one could say la musica is essential. Or, as I like to put it, a revolution without dance is a revolution not worth having. ;)

Dissent without music (at least an inner one) is a dissent without soul, and the latter can easily be "hijacked" and led into an irrelevant direction, or it can even fizzle out.
 
I only made it through a small portion before it annoyed me too much.

They seem to be trying to present their video as novel and contentious, the viewer should not take this at face value.

(It's good to ask about accountability of central banks, but pretending it's a secret that central banks are not technically government entities as they do in the first few minutes is disingenuous.)
 
I was trying to boycott this thread but the video is just too silly and full of clueless statements. For people who really want to know what is one of the major causes of economic turmoil I recommend the Robert Reich essay on Marriner Eccles (excerpt and link here):

http://ideas.economist.com/blog/earthquake-economy
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The Federal Reserve Board, arguably the most powerful group of economic decision-makers in the world, is housed in the Eccles Building on Constitution Avenue in Washington, D.C. A long, white, mausoleum-like structure, the building is named after Marriner Eccles, who chaired the Board from November 1934 until April 1948. These were crucial years in the history of the American economy, and the world’s. While Eccles is largely forgotten today he offered critical insight into the great pendulum of American capitalism. His analysis of the underlying economic stresses of the Great Depression is extraordinarily, even eerily, relevant to the crash of 2008. It also offers, if not a blueprint for the future, at least a suggestion of what to expect in the coming years.

A small, slender man with dark eyes and a pale, sharp face, Eccles was born in Logan, Utah, in 1890. His father, David Eccles, a poor Mormon immigrant from Glasgow, Scotland, had come to Utah, married two wives, became a businessman, and made a fortune. Young Marriner, one of David’s twenty-one children, trudged off to Scotland in 1910 as a Mormon missionary but returned home two years later to become a bank president. By age twenty-four he was a millionaire; by forty he was a tycoon – director of railroad, hotel, and insurance companies; head of a bank holding company controlling twenty-six banks; and president of lumber, milk, sugar, and construction companies spanning the Rockies to the Sierra Nevadas.

In the Crash of 1929, his businesses were sufficiently diverse and his banks adequately capitalized that he stayed afloat financially. But Eccles was deeply shaken when his assumption that the economy would quickly return to normal was, as we know, proved incorrect. In mid-December 1933, Eccles was asked to join the Treasury Department, and the following summer, to become chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. For the next fourteen years, with great vigor and continuing vigilance for the welfare of average people, Eccles helped steer the economy through the remainder of the Depression and World War II. He would also become one of the architects of the Great Prosperity that the nation and much of the rest of the world enjoyed after the war.

Eccles is best remembered, though, for his insight about the major cause of the Great Depression. It was, he thought, the vast accumulation of wealth and income in the hands of the wealthiest people in the nation, which siphoned purchasing power away from most of the rest of the nation. In Eccles’s words: As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth – not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced – to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nation’s economic machinery. Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-1930 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants.

In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped. The borrowing had taken the form of mortgage debt on homes and commercial buildings, consumer installment debt, and foreign debt. Eccles understood that this debt bubble was bound to burst. And when it did, consumer spending would shrink. And so it did. When there were no more poker chips to be loaned on credit, consumers had no more money to spend. This naturally reduced the demand for goods of all kinds, which in turn caused an increase in unemployment. Unemployment further decreased consumption which further increased unemployment.

If Eccles’s insight into the cause of the Great Depression sounds familiar to you that’s no coincidence. Although the Depression was far more severe than the Great Recession that officially began in December 2007, the two episodes are closely related. As Mark Twain
once observed, history does not repeat itself but it sometimes rhymes. Had America not experienced the Great Depression, policymakers eighty years later would not have learned how to use fiscal and monetary policies to contain the immediate economic threat posed by the Great Recession. But we did not learn the larger lesson of the 1930s: that when the distribution of income gets too far out of whack, the economy needs to be reorganized so the broad middle class has enough buying power to rejuvenate the economy over the longer term.

Until we take this lesson to heart, we will be living for many years with the Great Recession’s aftershock of high unemployment and low wages, and an increasingly angry middle class. The wages of the typical American hardly increased in the three decades leading up to the crash of 2008, considering inflation. In the 2000s, they actually dropped. According to the Census Bureau, in 2007 the male worker earning the median male wage (that is, smack in the middle, with as many men earning more than him as earning less) took home just over $45,000. Considering inflation, this was less than the typical male worker earned thirty years before. Middle-class family incomes 1 were only slightly higher. But the American economy was much larger in 2007 than it was thirty years before. If those gains had been divided equally among Americans, the typical person would be more than 60 percent better off than he actually was by 2007. Where did the gains go? As in the years preceding the Great Depression, a growing share went to the top. It was just like Eccles’s “giant suction pump,” drawing “into a few hands an increasing portion” of the nation’s total earnings.
 
I was trying to boycott this thread but the video is just too silly and full of clueless statements. For people who really want to know what is one of the major causes of economic turmoil I recommend the Robert Reich essay on Marriner Eccles (excerpt and link here):

http://ideas.economist.com/blog/earthquake-economy
**************************************************************************
The Federal Reserve Board, arguably the most powerful group of economic decision-makers in the world, is housed in the Eccles Building on Constitution Avenue in Washington, D.C. A long, white, mausoleum-like structure, the building is named after Marriner Eccles, who chaired the Board from November 1934 until April 1948. These were crucial years in the history of the American economy, and the world’s. While Eccles is largely forgotten today he offered critical insight into the great pendulum of American capitalism. His analysis of the underlying economic stresses of the Great Depression is extraordinarily, even eerily, relevant to the crash of 2008. It also offers, if not a blueprint for the future, at least a suggestion of what to expect in the coming years.

A small, slender man with dark eyes and a pale, sharp face, Eccles was born in Logan, Utah, in 1890. His father, David Eccles, a poor Mormon immigrant from Glasgow, Scotland, had come to Utah, married two wives, became a businessman, and made a fortune. Young Marriner, one of David’s twenty-one children, trudged off to Scotland in 1910 as a Mormon missionary but returned home two years later to become a bank president. By age twenty-four he was a millionaire; by forty he was a tycoon – director of railroad, hotel, and insurance companies; head of a bank holding company controlling twenty-six banks; and president of lumber, milk, sugar, and construction companies spanning the Rockies to the Sierra Nevadas.

In the Crash of 1929, his businesses were sufficiently diverse and his banks adequately capitalized that he stayed afloat financially. But Eccles was deeply shaken when his assumption that the economy would quickly return to normal was, as we know, proved incorrect. In mid-December 1933, Eccles was asked to join the Treasury Department, and the following summer, to become chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. For the next fourteen years, with great vigor and continuing vigilance for the welfare of average people, Eccles helped steer the economy through the remainder of the Depression and World War II. He would also become one of the architects of the Great Prosperity that the nation and much of the rest of the world enjoyed after the war.

Eccles is best remembered, though, for his insight about the major cause of the Great Depression. It was, he thought, the vast accumulation of wealth and income in the hands of the wealthiest people in the nation, which siphoned purchasing power away from most of the rest of the nation. In Eccles’s words: As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth – not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced – to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nation’s economic machinery. Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-1930 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants.

In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped. The borrowing had taken the form of mortgage debt on homes and commercial buildings, consumer installment debt, and foreign debt. Eccles understood that this debt bubble was bound to burst. And when it did, consumer spending would shrink. And so it did. When there were no more poker chips to be loaned on credit, consumers had no more money to spend. This naturally reduced the demand for goods of all kinds, which in turn caused an increase in unemployment. Unemployment further decreased consumption which further increased unemployment.

If Eccles’s insight into the cause of the Great Depression sounds familiar to you that’s no coincidence. Although the Depression was far more severe than the Great Recession that officially began in December 2007, the two episodes are closely related. As Mark Twain
once observed, history does not repeat itself but it sometimes rhymes. Had America not experienced the Great Depression, policymakers eighty years later would not have learned how to use fiscal and monetary policies to contain the immediate economic threat posed by the Great Recession. But we did not learn the larger lesson of the 1930s: that when the distribution of income gets too far out of whack, the economy needs to be reorganized so the broad middle class has enough buying power to rejuvenate the economy over the longer term.

Until we take this lesson to heart, we will be living for many years with the Great Recession’s aftershock of high unemployment and low wages, and an increasingly angry middle class. The wages of the typical American hardly increased in the three decades leading up to the crash of 2008, considering inflation. In the 2000s, they actually dropped. According to the Census Bureau, in 2007 the male worker earning the median male wage (that is, smack in the middle, with as many men earning more than him as earning less) took home just over $45,000. Considering inflation, this was less than the typical male worker earned thirty years before. Middle-class family incomes 1 were only slightly higher. But the American economy was much larger in 2007 than it was thirty years before. If those gains had been divided equally among Americans, the typical person would be more than 60 percent better off than he actually was by 2007. Where did the gains go? As in the years preceding the Great Depression, a growing share went to the top. It was just like Eccles’s “giant suction pump,” drawing “into a few hands an increasing portion” of the nation’s total earnings.

The above is a valid model, even if just like all models, it can be questioned.

However, during the any depression wealth is not destroyed, but relocated, and in the current one the wealth has been further transferred into the pockets of bankers (the actual owners and not the employees) through repossesions and the trillions US tax dollars handed to them, some of which have not even been accounted for - even leading to hearings. The banks awarding their executives bonuses worth millions of dollars during times when their repossessions have left thousands in the street, have not helped their own images either. Every real conspiracy has a cover story, so we would need to watch out for them always, no matter what the scenario.

We need to always be vigilant when it comes to big business in view of such happenings ( I say that as a capitalist myself, who has been brought up in business culture). That means that at the least we need to be suspicious and at the most we need to demand more hearings, accountability and even prosecutions when things start smelling really fishy. ;)
 
I only made it through a small portion before it annoyed me too much.

They seem to be trying to present their video as novel and contentious, the viewer should not take this at face value.

(It's good to ask about accountability of central banks, but pretending it's a secret that central banks are not technically government entities as they do in the first few minutes is disingenuous.)

In my humble opinion you should watch the whole documentary that includes statements and quotes from relevant sources to back up the point of view presented. I know that it is a long document, but I believe that the importance of the subject matter warrants it.

One cannot credibly criticise any document without having read, heard or watched the whole package. By the way, I am not asking you to believe, nor like everything presented there, but it is fair to ask you to watch it before you attempt to "blow it away". ;)
 
Another documentary that one can watch and cross reference it with the first one I posted is the following which was made by the late award winning Hollywood producer Aaron Russo - America: Freedom to Fascism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpZhhbKUBo



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I was trying to boycott this thread but the video is just too silly and full of clueless statements. For people who really want to know what is one of the major causes of economic turmoil I recommend the Robert Reich essay on Marriner Eccles (excerpt and link here):

Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me. I'm no economist - it's so terribly complex even many economists can't agree half the time - but I do understand the fundamental law of economics, which is eerily similar to the fundamental law of physics: There's no free lunch.

The causes of the current depression are so obvious, I'm leery of any article or video that doesn't mention them...banksters, job outsourcing, privatization, corporate welfare, government corruption and on and on, all of which can be broadly classified as corporate corruption.

If those problems aren't being addressed, there will be no economic recovery, period. That's precisely why I predicted things would get WORSE, more than three years ago. Virtually everyone said things would get better in a few months or "next year," but I stuck to my guns - and I was right.

I find it amazing that the new world order (in the broadest sense of the term) hasn't had much impact on Latin music (that I'm aware of). Is salsa romantica promoted by certain parties precisely because it's so socio-politically clueless? Which isn't to say I don't like salsa romantica, but it would sure be nice to see a revival of the music of the 1960s-70s, with a salsa theme.

Any songwriters out there listening???
 
Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me. I'm no economist - it's so terribly complex even many economists can't agree half the time - but I do understand the fundamental law of economics, which is eerily similar to the fundamental law of physics: There's no free lunch.

The causes of the current depression are so obvious, I'm leery of any article or video that doesn't mention them...banksters, job outsourcing, privatization, corporate welfare, government corruption and on and on, all of which can be broadly classified as corporate corruption.

If those problems aren't being addressed, there will be no economic recovery, period. That's precisely why I predicted things would get WORSE, more than three years ago. Virtually everyone said things would get better in a few months or "next year," but I stuck to my guns - and I was right.

I find it amazing that the new world order (in the broadest sense of the term) hasn't had much impact on Latin music (that I'm aware of). Is salsa romantica promoted by certain parties precisely because it's so socio-politically clueless? Which isn't to say I don't like salsa romantica, but it would sure be nice to see a revival of the music of the 1960s-70s, with a salsa theme.

Any songwriters out there listening???


Actually what you say about the Salsa Romantica has been hypothesized by at least one Latin American writer, but I can't remember his name. The rule of thumb seems to be that the system will promote anything mind numbing in favor of things that are actually mind opening.

The world political corruption is immense and all encompassing and the paper trail, just as it is in wars, leads to the same institutions - banks and large corporations and their political puppets. At least that is my view based on my experience of the world. That is, I am not discounting the fact that there are other views and aspects which have to be considered. As you put it, the issue is pretty complex.
 
I thought Salsa Romantica was a plot by record producers to increase sales of Salsa recordings by women. I had no idea it was tied into the New World Order! :-)
 
I thought Salsa Romantica was a plot by record producers to increase sales of Salsa recordings by women. I had no idea it was tied into the New World Order! :-)

It's probably all the above, but mostly a marketing strategy, as you suggest. However, there are forces that monitor and manipulate music for political ends. John Lennon and Victor Jara could tell us a lot about that - if they were still alive.
 
I'm actually praying for America's collapse

I can't see the future, and there are so many variables no one could predict exactly what it would look like. However, you might be interested in an article I wrote a year and a half ago - "Comparing Depressions." I sent you the URL via a private message.

I'm not asking for an exact prediction of the fine details, I'm curious as to what you're praying for. 'America's collapse' is too ambiguous for me to know what you mean, even though I realise that you can't give precise details.

Thanks for the link, I will look at that article shortly, however please can you clarify 'America's collapse' for me.
 
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