songs in 3-2 clave

Starting to go through some románticas and Victor Manuelle seems to have plenty of 3-2 tracks, e.g. Apiádate de mí
No alcanzo
Solo contigo

I think the whole Solo contigo album might be 3-2, but it's probably not, and I can't be bothered checking every track.
 
DJ Yuca said:
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Are pure 3-2 tracks more common in salsa romántica than in salsa dura etc?
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In my experience definitely yes. I guess that the proportion is around 80% 2-3 vs 20% 3/2 in salsa dura and 60% 2-3 vs 40% 3-2 in salsa romantica. One of the next days I will do the calculation on my collection (I began classifying the songs according to their clave to improve my skills in clave detection)
 
pietro said:
In my experience definitely yes. I guess that the proportion is around 80% 2-3 vs 20% 3/2 in salsa dura and 60% 2-3 vs 40% 3-2 in salsa romantica. One of the next days I will do the calculation on my collection (I began classifying the songs according to their clave to improve my skills in clave detection)
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But do you classify them purely by how the song starts or do you separate those that change clave and those that don't? Plenty of tracks that start 3-2 then change.
 
DJ Yuca said:
But do you classify them purely by how the song starts or do you separate those that change clave and those that don't? Plenty of tracks that start 3-2 then change.
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I separate them...of course I can make mistakes in my classification (especially at the beginning when I was less expert), but now it seems to me that in at least 80% of the songs clave direction is pretty clear.

I already posted a statistic here on this forum, but I didn't split salsa dura and romantica
 
pietro said:
I separate them
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In that case, how about %s for the following:

pure 2-3
pure 3-2
3-2 then 1 or more clave change
2-3 then 1 or more clave change

Even better you could get even more detailed i.e.

3-2 then 1 clave change
3-2 then more than 1 clave change
Likewise for 2-3.

NB 2-3 then 1 clave change is very rare. I found a famous one a while ago but I have completely forgotten what it was.

pietro said:
of course I can make mistakes in my classification (especially at the beginning when I was less expert), but now it seems to me that in at least 80% of the songs clave direction is pretty clear.
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In a different thread you could post the 20% that you consider ambiguous then we can geek out over them. Bear in mind that some old S American tracks don't have clave-specific percussion.
 
DJ Yuca said:
In that case, how about %s for the following:

pure 2-3
pure 3-2
3-2 then 1 or more clave change
2-3 then 1 or more clave change
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I can answer, but I have the data on another notebook

DJ Yuca said:
Even better you could get even more detailed i.e.

3-2 then 1 clave change
3-2 then more than 1 clave change
Likewise for 2-3.
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I can't answer to this

DJ Yuca said:
NB 2-3 then 1 clave change is very rare. I found a famous one a while ago but I have completely forgotten what it was.
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We already had this discussion

pietro said:
I listened again to my 2-3 to 3-2 songs but I think you are right, all of them have multiple changes
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I can check now in a larger database

DJ Yuca said:
In a different thread you could post the 20% that you consider ambiguous then we can geek out over them. Bear in mind that some old S American tracks don't have clave-specific percussion.
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I devoleped a chrome extension for personal usage to get the information from discogs (if available) for a song I am listening on youtube and then download the song and save the information (with other data that I edit, like the clave) in my library: I could add the button "Open thread on salsaforums" :cool:
 
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pietro said:
I listened again to my 2-3 to 3-2 songs but I think you are right, all of them have multiple changes
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Yes it's very rare that a song starts 2-3 and changes just once.

pietro said:
I can answer, but I have the data on another notebook
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Also please list the ones that are pure 3-2, as that is what this thread is supposed to be about.

pietro said:
I devoleped a chrome extension for personal usage to get the information from discogs (if available) for a song I am listening on youtube and then download the song and save the information (with other data that I edit, like the clave) in my library: I could add the button "Open thread on salsaforums" :cool:
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On a good day I can work out how to switch my laptop on.
 
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