"Salsa" Remakes Exposed

Covers in «Indestructible» by Ray Barretto:

Rafael Hernández - Diablo

Johnny Rodríguez - Yo Tengo un Amor (Autor Rafael Hernández)

José Curbelo - La familia

Los Compadres - Con llanto de cocodrilo

Gloria Matancera - Ahí no
 
Arcaño y sus Maravillas – Chanchullo (covers by Típica 73, Tito Puente and Santana)

Jóvenes del Cuadro - Jacobo Basura (covered by Tito Rodríguez and Bobby Valentin)

Pedro Flores - Traigo de Todo (covered by Ismael Rivera)

Jóvenes del Cayo - No critiques (covered by Eddie Palmieri and Libre)

Conjunto Casino - El Telefonito (covered by Rubén Blades)
 
Los Reyes '73 - Baila que baila mi son (1975), credits Ovidio Guerra and Tomás Martínez

Tipica '73 - Baila que baila (1978), matching credits

José Alberto "El Canario" - Baila que baila (1998), credited to Gilberto Hernández
 
Guaguancó para los soneros (Onelio Pérez)

Recorded by Conjunto Robert Faz, must have been 60s, although by Areito catalog numbers it might rather have been published in the 70s


Covered by Conjunto Universal (1976)


and Orchestra Harlow (1980)

 
rafa said:
Tito Rodríguez - Ahora Me Toca A Mí

Fania All Stars - Quítate Tú
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"Quitate tu pa ponerme yo" was a popular phrase in 1930s Cuba, the refrain was so popular that a magazine beared that name....if i'm not mistaken, the earliest recording is from 1931, also charangas and conjuntos as Arcaño and Roberto Faz, etc, recorded that estribillo, which became related to "Ahora me toca a mi bailar" take care all

 
1derpalm said:
Not sure if this is here. I'm not reading 10 years worth of posts to find out.
I HATE the gran combo version, and one of the few I won't dance to.
While researching the song so I find out new ways to hate it, I discovered the original. I like it more, but I hate the gran combo version so much that this could be the greatest version ever that I still get angry when I think of it.
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Just found a new cover of this (I think): Étoile de Dakar's Cely (or Thiely) from their 1978 LP Xelis. It credits El Gran Combo.

 
Richie Blondet said:
For the record, neither Sonny ("Joe Cuba") nor Willie Colón contributed anything to "Que Lio." Nick Jimenez, who continues to remain uncredited, was responsible for both El Raton and Que Lio. Both the music and the lyrics for El Raton. As well as the music and lyrics for Que Lio. What Cheo and Hector contributed were the inspiraciones or soneos sung in between the choral refrain.

Check out the Willie Torres discography for that story, produced by Edwin Garcia. Which is available for free and online.

Both Willie and Sonny got composer credit for it because that was the industry practice since day one. To issue credit to the leader. Unfortunately for them none of them received a dime. Their names may appear on an LP or record as the composer, but it was Fania Publishing (FAP) who registered the song with ASCAP. FAP was registered under the name "Gerald Masucci." So any royalties went straight to you know who. The musicians were just "strawmen." While Nick Jimenez remains invisible. Until we mention him.
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Hi, I'm writing an article on the montuno of El Ratón and its different iterations, and until now I thought that it was Cheo who first came up with this progression. He even claimed in an interview that the Ratón montuno came to him while he was listening to classical music. Knowing Cheo it's far from impossible that he made this story up along with the credit of composing this tune, and if Jimenez is the real composer of this montuno then it's a huge deal to the story I'm trying to tell.

The thing is, I went through the Edwin Garcia discography and I couldn't find the story about this imposture. I found that Jimenez is credited as the pianist in both albums where Che problema and El Ratón and that he wrote a solo in Che problema but that doesn't completely exclude the possibility of Cheo composing the Ratón montuno, at least in my opinion even if his credit is now questionnable.
Could you please show me precisely where Garcia talks about this Jimenez/Cheo situation in the Torres discography ? I'd really like to be able to track this tune to a single author but in any case I'm glad I came across your comment, it really makes the story of this Montuno take an interesting turn.
 
Valgace said:
Hi, I'm writing an article on the montuno of El Ratón and its different iterations, and until now I thought that it was Cheo who first came up with this progression. He even claimed in an interview that the Ratón montuno came to him while he was listening to classical music. Knowing Cheo it's far from impossible that he made this story up along with the credit of composing this tune, and if Jimenez is the real composer of this montuno then it's a huge deal to the story I'm trying to tell.

The thing is, I went through the Edwin Garcia discography and I couldn't find the story about this imposture. I found that Jimenez is credited as the pianist in both albums where Che problema and El Ratón and that he wrote a solo in Che problema but that doesn't completely exclude the possibility of Cheo composing the Ratón montuno, at least in my opinion even if his credit is now questionnable.
Could you please show me precisely where Garcia talks about this Jimenez/Cheo situation in the Torres discography ? I'd really like to be able to track this tune to a single author but in any case I'm glad I came across your comment, it really makes the story of this Montuno take an interesting turn.
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Nevermind, I kept digging this Nick Jiménez lead and I found what I was looking for. Cheo even publicly admitted that he co-wrote El Ratón with Jiménez composing the piano and Cheo the lyrics here at 29:00.


Thank you very much for putting me on this lead I'm glad I went through the bottom of this. It's a pity that you have to dig as much as I did for Nick Jiménez' name to pop up, but the silverlining is that if you search "Nick Jiménez El Ratón" on google you have many results crediting him at the same level as Feliciano. Most of these results are quite recent, I hope that the knowledge about Jiménez's role will only spread more and more from now on !
 
Magdalena, probably best known in the version of La Conspiración from 1972 (credited D.R....)


It's original a Brazilian samba Madalena due to Ayrton Amorim and Ary Macedo, first recorded (as far as I can tell) by Linda Batista in 1951. I might have read that it featured in a Mexican movie around that time.


There are Spanish language recordings from the early 50s, mostly titled Magdalena.

E.g. by Xavier Cugat (1951/1953?), with English chorus, Abbe Lane on vocals


Conjunto Casino (1952)


Beny Moré with Orquesta Ernesto Durate (195?). The genre is "mambo batiri"!


Another one labeled "mambo batiri" by Orquesta Falcón

Magdalena | Strachwitz Frontera Collection

frontera.library.ucla.edu frontera.library.ucla.edu

I also like this French take by Tino Rossi from 1952.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0gjsdBHedw

Here's Linda Batista performing it on TV in the 70s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXJb3R2Vukc
 
Gaviota said:
Magdalena, probably best known in the version of La Conspiración from 1972 (credited D.R....)
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Orquesta Hanover also have a recording of this, titled Llora como lloré (1975)


But I'm unclear whether there's a release out. The singer, Reinaldo "Titi" Ortiz, left a four year old comment on that youtube video indicating they were going to publish an album, but no further trace.

(There's an album where he sings this and other Hanover tracks with Chino Ramos from 2012 or so.)
 
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