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What the heck is Bachata Influence?
Groove On
Son
The dance equivalent of speaking fake French without actually knowing French. Apply that to Bachata and you have (voila!) ... Bachata Influence. For those people, who want to dance "bachata" without actually learning Bachata ...
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You may actually even like this movement, because it may disintegrate bachata into pieces.
As nearly always in bachata videos one can't see the feet, so the altered stepping isn't visible in the video: the tap at 4 / 8 is left out. And english pop songs:
"Baby, you burn so hot
You make me shiver with the fire you got"
It was during a J'n'J competition, and similar happened last year in J'n'J at Geneva festival. This we will see more often probably, because at competitions leads try to "express" stronger and competitions always get filmed.
I wonder if J'n'J becomes popular in salsa if then L.A. style with many dips becomes more popular again.
In small scenes, if you want to improve your experience you might have to become a dj and instructor and try to build a little tribe and then become an organizer and throw socials for your tribe. You can even start mini weekenders and invite artists to teach or djs. I’ve seen it happen but def a lot of money, time and effort to see that slow resurgence. It ends up being easier just to travel to good festivals.
The death of bachata and its basic, lol
Yeah it's been done at the cost of a lot of time and effort, most of whch fell on deaf ears.
Small scenes need time to grow and be continuously nurtured week in week out. One off parties or weekenders don't have legs to stand on and usually fail without the support of the locals.
People flock to the most minimal effort enterprise, which is SbK.
In the end, it's definitely easier to travel to a lively scene.
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I know we're in different scenes in different countries, but sounds like our scenes are very similar!
I think in towns where SBK reigns supreme will look similar across the board, which is bad for people like me.
I accept that I can not have fun anymore at those kinds of parties because I've become too much of a music/dance snob.
'I Just wanna have fun' doesn't cut it for me. I need good music and good dancing and need other people to feel the same way.
1derpalm
Son Montuno
Heard a catchy blues song this week which inspired me to dance to, so I played it several times and today accidentally played it on youtube - where I focused that picture of a cliché black blues singer with a cliché name ("Benny Rivers") singing cliché lines of heartfelt pain and sorrow. Googled him and wasn't surprised anymore it is AI. The song got 4 million clicks in two months which is a lot for a blues song, thousands of comments with people claiming how much they are touched in their soul from it.
A few weeks ago at a WCS social there was a catchy song with the female singer whispering the refrain "I hate to hate you" - while humans can create such lyrics it felt somehow exaggerated and so I finally googled it was AI. I can easily imagine how AI crawls all the love song lyrics from "I love to love you" to "I hate to love you" and then creates this new variation.
People feel touched from AI music, and when they get pointed out in comments they often answer: "So what, if I like it?"
This is becoming reality, and real human music may become something rare like DJs doing a vinyl session.
Sadly I won't experience those androids who will be perfect life partners in a 100 years, when people will say "So what, if I like her?"
A few weeks ago at a WCS social there was a catchy song with the female singer whispering the refrain "I hate to hate you" - while humans can create such lyrics it felt somehow exaggerated and so I finally googled it was AI. I can easily imagine how AI crawls all the love song lyrics from "I love to love you" to "I hate to love you" and then creates this new variation.
People feel touched from AI music, and when they get pointed out in comments they often answer: "So what, if I like it?"
This is becoming reality, and real human music may become something rare like DJs doing a vinyl session.
Sadly I won't experience those androids who will be perfect life partners in a 100 years, when people will say "So what, if I like her?"
Jaime_Pipoca
Changui
Groove On
Son
Yes, IT IS a reality. Went to an event last night, and I hate to say it, but I enjoyed dancing to the AI Salsa music. Currently it is still mostly obvious when the music comes out of the uncanny valley, but give it a generation and I think it will surpass our ability to know. Even now, it is copying and creating music from the best music humans can offer - and doing it pretty damn well.
The biggest problem, is that AI can create music that human musicians cannot or do not have the time, energy or talent to create - and AI can just churn it out 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
For example, this Slim Shady cover done in a 1950s mo-town style. It's a pretty kick-ass cover. The worst thing I can say about it, is that it was not made by a human ... and there are thousands of these songs filling up the music channels. And yeah, I did find myself grabbing a WCS partner and dancing to it.
The real tragedy is when regular people cannot tell the difference anymore. For example, I was accused a couple of nights ago of playing AI music when I dropped this song.
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The annoying thing is that AI music is expressing "deep feelings" when it creates blues and love songs. It ridicules our feelings by reproducing them in an absurd way.
In some way AI music just points out that most human music to some extend is always canned reproduction. When a heavy metal song or a country&western song starts we know what sound and lyrics to expect: they rarely really differ, because artists also must satisfy the expectations of the listeners.
It would be acceptable to use AI for sounds like techno music which always focused on artificial sounds. But creating songs about love and despair with AI is a smash into our face.
In some way AI music just points out that most human music to some extend is always canned reproduction. When a heavy metal song or a country&western song starts we know what sound and lyrics to expect: they rarely really differ, because artists also must satisfy the expectations of the listeners.
It would be acceptable to use AI for sounds like techno music which always focused on artificial sounds. But creating songs about love and despair with AI is a smash into our face.
People are not going to unlike the music that they liked, after learning it is AI generated. As long as you can emotionally connect with music it won’t matter whether it is AI composed/generated or human. Now you might find it difficult to be emotionally connect after knowing it is AI generated. Only a few might subscribe to that. The genie is already out of the bottle.
May be you can freeze yourself in cryogenic and wake up one day, to finding perfect dance partners all androids
Isn't that also the trend at European festivals and marathons?
The middle part sounds really good, the singer puts a lot of "soul" into it - that's the problem as the soul does not exist. So in the long run we come to learn that all feelings and soul are fake. This might be a valuable insight for an advanced buddhist master but may be destructive for most people in their daily behaviour.
As many people say "So what, if I like it?" it becomes clear that AI music will take over all pop music. It is unbeatable to satisfy our needs, only few people will exclude every non-human music (if they know it is), but mostly older folks while the youngest generation will see no problem: "Why prefer real singers who have drug problems, destroy hotel rooms and arrive late at concerts?"
1derpalm
Son Montuno
Hilariously I just got back from an event in a big town, and my friend and I commented on how much we love the mud tempo music now. We fel fast salsa are for self indulgent wankers.