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If it was part of regular classes then they could just practise it at home.

I meant it is part of regular classes in some of the cities I mentioned. These classes vary. Some are half an hour shines and body movements, and rest half partnerwork. Some are 45 minutes on shines/body movement and 15/30 mins of partnerwork. Some are an hour of shines/body movement and 30 minutes partner work.

I rarely seen regular shines class that doesn't include teaching body movement. I am not talking about Congress classes, which are largely useless because they are one time only.

Now that I am trying to recollect, when I was a beginner, almost every instructor started classes with at least first 15 minutes doing footwork/shines. Then partner work for remaining 45 minutes. No one ever consider the free classes at a club before dancing started as a serious class where someone could learn. For instructor teaching free classes at clubs was a way to new students join their regular classes which were offered in the studios. At that time salsa was the only game in the town. There was no bachata or Kizomba to compete.

Watching how well people could dance also made beginners seek out better classes to get good. The more people there were who were regular and good dancers, the more beginners would gravitate towards making serious efforts to take classes and get better. I observe a kind of direct correlation between number of good dancers and beginners that enter the scene. A scene with good dancers also has more beginners interested in salsa.

Out here when I dance salsa with bachata girls, they aren't that bad. But definitely apologetic about not been good at salsa. However in the local scene I have yet to come by a good bachata follower who isn't good at salsa. I don't think it will last long. BS will eventually creep up in here too.
 
Something like ladies styling has created a whole lot of girls who will style the arms same way.

Girls at least have that option to take styling courses. Men usually don't.

I think most guys don't care about whether they look like everyone else, as long as they like how it looks. Just look at Rumba. Most guys agree that it's a good look, but the idea is to copy your instructor's movement which everyone else is doing in the beginning. I remember taking a Rumba class with a local Cuban instructor and it was the most copy paste class I'd ever taken. Imagine taking one movement and doing it a thousand times over and over until your limbs fall off. That's the type of training it entails.

At least give them the tools necessary to develop their own style. Most guys don't even know how to start.

If it's repetitive and boring, then so be it. The serious dancers will stay and learn.
 
Subtle? Seriously? :p Bersy is pushing her booty out a LOT, not subtle at all. Whereas Karel is simply letting her hip roll out on the pushing steps (so it looks natural, since the hip naturally goes out on the pushing steps if you let it/use proper stepping into the floor), but Bersy is actively rolling her booty all the time (well, not all the time, but 99% of the time). Maybe clearer in this vid:


I think her dancing is very nice, but she definitely exaggerates the booty movement a lot, way more than Karel/Griselle.
I enjoyed them playing off each other during shines. Her booty pushes are a bit much (more for onstage)
 


I like this kids combination of skills, fluidity and "street look". Way more impressive than being able do lead some partnerwork in my opinion?
 
A scene with good dancers also has more beginners interested in salsa.

Constant stream of beginners yes, but not necessarily more.

You can reach a critical mass of beginners. After that point, the scene gets too diluted.

Those beginners need to advance or else the scene will be too bottom heavy.

Also, a scene with hundreds of beginners in class but none who progress to social dancing is not a good scene.

A really irritating thing is when a scene keeps producing more teachers who not only don't encourage their students to social dance, but don't social dance themselves.
 
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Most people learn or discover it on their own. There are very very few who can actually teach something like this. From what I have witness I can only think of two.

I don't believe this has to be taught honestly. Teach the basics of body movements. Give a few examples of how to apply same movement in different ways and to different music/rhythms. But it is really up to an individual dancers to discover how their body moves and how to add or subtract flourishes, etc. It would be pretty boring to look at all the guys doing same thing. Something like ladies styling has created a whole lot of girls who will style the arms same way.

I agree: the mirror at home is your discrete, honest friend. When you are advanced you can judge your movements, even better when you tape yourself. When you do that the first time, you might feel a bit strange, because the last time you did that was when you were a teenager and tried to imitate Mick Jagger or whoever :). But it's the best way probably.

I recently found an interview with Burju Hurturk where she said the same in an interview:

"I used to put on some music stand in front of a mirror and just dance my heart out. I would also tape myself so I could later see what I didn’t like and would not be doing again. I also corrected things like posture and technique that way. I still try to do this every so often."
(http://www.lavozdelmambo.com/dancers/burju-hurturk-interview/)
 
I know a bunch of Latin Americans whose favorite music is Rock/Metal/Punk and their Salsa/Merengue/Bachata/Cumbia dancing skills are very non-existent. Also Latin Americans from wealthy families, neighbourhood probably grew up with a lot of western music, and not attend many barrio (neighbourhood) parties where their aunties forced them to dance. This was pretty clear to me in my group of Latin American friends who studied in Europe. Those that came with a scholarship (couldn't afford to pay the bills) generally had pretty good dancing skills. Those that came without a scholarship (from wealthy family) had no dancing skills lol.

Overall I think anybody can learn to have good movement. Some movement patterns might just be more difficult to learn as one gets older.

Yes, have seen this before. The "elites" that want to be "First Worlders". And even in a city like Miami where latinidad is celebrated there are plenty of cubans who never got into casino.
 
So, here is a guy with plenty of nice body movement and flavor :) So they do exist ;)
I guess this is what growing up Latino does to you :)

Sorry if I interrupt the conversation flow. I am new to this forum and also new to this Salsa so my knowlege abt this may limited. But I think his movement is so great and he can get or may say express the beauty of this dance. Just a minor thought of mine :D
 
Sorry if I interrupt the conversation flow. I am new to this forum and also new to this Salsa so my knowlege abt this may limited. But I think his movement is so great and he can get or may say express the beauty of this dance. Just a minor thought of mine :D
Welcome! :)
 
Sorry if I interrupt the conversation flow. I am new to this forum and also new to this Salsa so my knowlege abt this may limited. But I think his movement is so great and he can get or may say express the beauty of this dance. Just a minor thought of mine :D

Welcome, welcome! Please note that if the flow/direction of the conversation is not interrupted at least once, then the world is upside down here on SF.
 
So one of the best things that happened at the Paris Salsa Weekend was that one of my all-time favorite leads was there Saturday and Sunday night :) :) :) He is actually my first ever favorite French dancer and also the first French dancer I met, we met in 2015 at my first Europe festival (Magic), and I haven't seen him in 3 years so I was super happy to see him this weekend! Such a lovely surprise! :) (After meeting him in 2015 I immediately knew I had to go dance in Paris, that's how much I loved dancing with him!)

And our first dance of the night after our totally unexpected surprise reunion on Saturday, our "reunion dance", got filmed! A huge stroke of luck, so happy to have this memory :) :) We were both so so happy to be dancing together again after such a long time, because our dance chemistry is off-the-charts :) (@TikiTaka Now you can really see what happens when I dance with one of my select few favorites ;) )

Also lucky that the song was very nice :) And even our colors matched, including his towel :)

 
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He is actually my first ever favorite French dancer and also the first French dancer I met, we met in 2015 at my first Europe festival (Magic), and I haven't seen him in 3 years so I was super happy to see him this weekend! Such a lovely surprise!


So he wins at least 3 Oscars! :cool:
Really great dance of yours, and all this coincidence can't just be luck.
Even your first letters coincide... must be destiny.

I like the room also, and there is enough space for dancing - but probably normally it gets crowded?

Also my eyes tell me there are lots of girls waiting in the left corner... after my night yesterday (see picture above) it calls my attention :)
But as far as I can see everybody's dancing on2 - I will need some more exercise in this.

But seeing this video it's definitely a place where I would like to go - thumbs up!
 
So one of the best things that happened at the Paris Salsa Weekend was that one of my all-time favorite leads was there Saturday and Sunday night :) :) :) He is actually my first ever favorite French dancer and also the first French dancer I met, we met in 2015 at my first Europe festival (Magic), and I haven't seen him in 3 years so I was super happy to see him this weekend! Such a lovely surprise! :) (After meeting him in 2015 I immediately knew I had to go dance in Paris, that's how much I loved dancing with him!)

And our first dance of the night after our totally unexpected surprise reunion on Saturday, our "reunion dance", got filmed! A huge stroke of luck, so happy to have this memory :) :) We were both so so happy to be dancing together again after such a long time, because our dance chemistry is off-the-charts :) (@TikiTaka Now you can really see what happens when I dance with one of my select few favorites ;) )

Also lucky that the song was very nice :) And even our colors matched, including his towel :)

This guy looks smoother than your favorite Paris lead :p
 
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