Salsa is not that sensual to get the girl like Bachata and kizomba !

Sabrosura said:
kiz, especially when danced at an intermediate-advanced level, leaves salsa far behind when it comes to partner (and music) connection.
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I disagree. Kiz music (to listen to) and dance (to observe) do nothing for me - so how am I going to connect better to my partner or the music than I would with music and dance that I love? Don't you think your personality and tastes play a part in why you prefer kiz to salsa and can connect better to the music and partner in the former?

Likewise if I met someone who told me they love kizomba music and they really enjoy watching kizomba dance, even though I prefer salsa to kiz I sure as hell wouldn't think they would enjoy learning salsa more, just because I prefer it.

Also a follower's perspective can be very different to that of a lead.
 
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Mahmoud Naguib said:
As you are dancer which kind of guys you find them more attractive and most likely it's easier for them to get girls
Kizomba or Bachata dancers?
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To me it's not so much about kiz vs. bachata (or salsa), it's about each person's subjective preferences -- I prefer (and I think many other women do as well) smart, well-educated, well-read, confident guys with a great sense of humor, and they exist equally in all dance styles :)

That said, kiz guys are overall more attractive in my experience than bachata guys. In videos you may see some bachata guys that have lines of women waiting for them, but those are just the 'stars' - most bachata guys (especially sensual-bachata guys) are nowhere near that attractive to women, and those looking for hookups often seem "desperate" - the creepiest guys I have met while dancing were sensual-bachata guys.

Which country are you from by the way?
 
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DJ Yuca said:
I disagree. Kiz music (to listen to) and dance (to observe) do nothing for me - so how am I going to connect better to my partner or the music than I would with music and dance that I love? Don't you think your personality and tastes play a part in why you prefer kiz to salsa and can connect better to the music and partner in the former?

Likewise if I met someone who told me they love kizomba music and they really enjoy watching kizomba dance, even though I prefer salsa to kiz I sure as hell wouldn't think they would enjoy learning salsa more, just because I prefer it.
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I gave up kiz vs. salsa discussions long ago, sorry. My only answer is: try it so that you can see for yourself (minimum 2 levels of courses with a good, vetted instructor).

Also, the OP clearly said that he thinks he may enjoy kiz or bachata as much as salsa if he dedicated more time to them.

DJ Yuca said:
Also a follower's perspective can be very different to that of a lead.
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Which is exactly why I am answering - to explain to the OP where his chances of connecting with women are highest, from a female follow's perspective, and he specifically asked me to clarify that. Also, I actually dance kiz both as a lead and follow (I took 3 kiz courses as lead, beginner-improver-intermediate).
 
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Sabrosura said:
To me it's not so much about kiz vs. bachata (or salsa), it's about each person's subjective preferences -- I prefer (and I think many other women do as well) smart, well-educated, well-read, confident guys with a great sense of humor, and they exist equally in all dance styles :)

That said, kiz guys are overall more attractive in my experience than bachata guys. In videos you may see some bachata guys that have lines of women waiting for them, but those are just the 'stars' - most bachata guys (especially sensual bachata guys) are nowhere near that attractive to women, and those looking for hookups often seem "desperate" - the creepiest guys I have met while dancing were sensual bachata guys.

Which country are you from by the way?
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It's very clear now ..
Thanks and Appreciate your replies

About my country it's different from the place I live in
And I can't say it as My name is very clear to get me personally
Actually I tried to change it through settings but I couldn't :)
 
Mahmoud Naguib said:
It's very clear now ..
Thanks and Appreciate your replies

About my country it's different from the place I live in
And I can't say it as My name is very clear to get me personally
Actually I tried to change it through settings but I couldn't :)
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Ok I think I figured it out, PMed you :)
 
Sabrosura said:
kiz, especially when danced at an intermediate-advanced level, leaves salsa far behind when it comes to partner (and music) connection.
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Sabrosura said:
I gave up kiz vs. salsa discussions long ago, sorry.
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Ummm . . .

Sabrosura said:
My only answer is: try it so that you can see for yourself (minimum 2 levels of courses with a good, vetted instructor).
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How am I going to do 2 levels of courses when I dislike hearing the music and dislike watching the dance, both of which are completely at odds with my personality? I know most people get into salsa dance because it's fun, they like the scene etc but for me I only got into it because I got heavily into the music. Even then most salsa dance does nothing for me to watch and I only do moves stolen from the tiny number of leads who I actually enjoy watching.

You dislike some dances (probably) and some types of music (I imagine) so you must be able to relate. If I wanted to learn another dance it would be cumbia, lindy hop, son or Latin hustle, simply because they all have music I enjoy and I enjoy seeing them danced (if done well or at least to my tastes).
 
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Mahmoud Naguib said:
Hello Guys

I wanna take your opinion on something

I started learning Salsa and Bachata and kizomba 1y 9m ago
I stopped learning bachata and kizomba after 4 months and continued Salsa for 1 full year classes
And i started

But during this all time I practice Salsa & Bachata and kizomba almost daily for 3 h

In the beginning I loved bachata more then I loved salsa more then bachata then Salsa
But for more than a year now I love salsa more than anything else
And actually I reached to very good level comparing with many people around dancing for even 2 or 3 years before me !

The thing is that
I didn't actually start dancing to get girls but actually it came naturally after sometime
But they all come by dancing Bachata and maybe kizomba as well as they are more sensual

I do love Salsa more than any thing and I reached to he one of the little good salsa dancers in my city unlike bachata and kizomba which many people dancing it well
Maybe if I invested same time of salsa in one of them I'll be even better than me on salsa

I don't like bachata much eventhough I dance it very well
But to be honest it's the best way to get girls

The question is
1. Am I have to go with what I love more and try to professional on it regardless I will get girls now or no
2. Learn more bachata or Kizomba to make balance
3. If you choose number 2
So which Dancing to go for which will make me able to have more dates through

I know it's kinda silly topic but we just can make it like experiences exchanging between each others

Thanks guys
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I'm surprised you haven't gotten more heat with this kind of question, salsaforums doesn't ceaze to amaze me.

I give you the central European perspective, a brutally honest answer.

1. DO NOT TRY TO MEET GIRLS ON THE DANCEFLOOR.

Most likely you come off as creepy to the majority of girls and you will traumatize a lot of girls that might become fantastic dance partners for other dancers in the future. Having these kind of intentions destroys the scene, period. I have heard hundreds of stories about dance venues that girls avoid not to be preyed upon by guys (dancers!) with no manners. You don't sh* where you eat, to put it blandly.

2. If you don't care and still like to meet girls, forget about salsa. The age average is too high, the number of newcomers too low and you might have to compete with a lot of Latinos that are better at dancing and fulfill some girls' unspoken fantasy of a guy fitting into their mental image of South American exoticism.

3. Bachata is way more easy to learn than salsa, at least the basics, and that's enough because most people quit anyways after a couple of month. The male/female ratio in bachata is way better than salsa, in the courses even more than on the dancefloor, and people are on average more attractive.

Attractive people are drawn to recent trends and the promise of receiving praise and attention for their looks and "moving sexy" (bachata sensual). Salsa instead is not trendy anymore, needs good technique (boring!) and you should be in it for the long game (and who is really in anything for the long game?).
 
Tom Schueler said:
I'm surprised you haven't gotten more heat with this kind of question, salsaforums doesn't ceaze to amaze me.

I give you the central European perspective, a brutally honest answer.

1. DO NOT TRY TO MEET GIRLS ON THE DANCEFLOOR.

Most likely you come off as creepy to the majority of girls and you will traumatize a lot of girls that might become fantastic dance partners for other dancers in the future. Having these kind of intentions destroys the scene, period. I have heard hundreds of stories about dance venues that girls avoid not to be preyed upon by guys (dancers!) with no manners. You don't sh* where you eat, to put it blandly.
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Comments like this never cease to amaze me. If a man and a woman meet at salsa and from there enjoy spending time together, doing whatever, as friends or in a relationship, what is the problem? Believe it or not women have needs as well as men and for most people it's natural to look to meet someone whilst socialising and participating in a hobby.

Sure if someone is dishonest it's a problem but the fact is, dishonest people are out there everywhere and as adults we have to learn not to believe what they say (unless we want to). And there is nothing in the OP to suggest that the poster is dishonest. If a man is pressuring women who are not interested that's another matter - even if it's purely for economic reasons, any decent promoter or instructor or venue owner needs to tell the pest to stop scaring off the students or they will be banned. But again - there is nothing in the OP to suggest that the poster is pressuring women who aren't interested. We don't know him or his scene.

Tom Schueler said:
2. If you don't care and still like to meet girls, forget about salsa. The age average is too high, the number of newcomers too low
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That's a generalisation plus it assumes that the OP is a teenager or in his early 20s. There are plenty of attractive women who dance salsa, particularly if the OP is interested in women in their 30s (or older).

Tom Schueler said:
you might have to compete with a lot of Latinos that are better at dancing and fulfill some girls' unspoken fantasy of a guy fitting into their mental image of South American exoticism.
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Oh please there are innumerable men who aren't Latin who manage to find whatever they're looking for (relationship or hook up) at salsa classes or events. Even I've managed it on occasion.

Tom Schueler said:
3. Bachata is way more easy to learn than salsa, at least the basics, and that's enough because most people quit anyways after a couple of month. The male/female ratio in bachata is way better than salsa, in the courses even more than on the dancefloor, and people are on average more attractive.

Attractive people are drawn to recent trends and the promise of receiving praise and attention for their looks and "moving sexy" (bachata sensual). Salsa instead is not trendy anymore, needs good technique (boring!) and you should be in it for the long game (and who is really in anything for the long game?).
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This is pretty accurate.
 
I've never heard of a salsa school that advertises that they don't want their students hooking up outside of classes. It would be commercial suicide.
 
Is urban kiz even kizomba? Kizomba is a dance from Angola. If I were in Angola I'd probably try to learn a very basic version.
 
Tom Schueler said:
I'm surprised you haven't gotten more heat with this kind of question, salsaforums doesn't ceaze to amaze me.

I give you the central European perspective, a brutally honest answer.

1. DO NOT TRY TO MEET GIRLS ON THE DANCEFLOOR.

Most likely you come off as creepy to the majority of girls and you will traumatize a lot of girls that might become fantastic dance partners for other dancers in the future. Having these kind of intentions destroys the scene, period. I have heard hundreds of stories about dance venues that girls avoid not to be preyed upon by guys (dancers!) with no manners. You don't sh* where you eat, to put it blandly.

2. If you don't care and still like to meet girls, forget about salsa. The age average is too high, the number of newcomers too low and you might have to compete with a lot of Latinos that are better at dancing and fulfill some girls' unspoken fantasy of a guy fitting into their mental image of South American exoticism.

3. Bachata is way more easy to learn than salsa, at least the basics, and that's enough because most people quit anyways after a couple of month. The male/female ratio in bachata is way better than salsa, in the courses even more than on the dancefloor, and people are on average more attractive.

Attractive people are drawn to recent trends and the promise of receiving praise and attention for their looks and "moving sexy" (bachata sensual). Salsa instead is not trendy anymore, needs good technique (boring!) and you should be in it for the long game (and who is really in anything for the long game?).
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Thanks brother for your Comment .. however we are on the same page or not

Let me explain some points only for you

1. I do love Dancing more than anything .. more than dating even
Dating is and extra as I explained before
So I can't leave dancing to get girls from somewhere else !

2. In terms of age you are right but not in Salsa & sensual bachata community
The average is high in Cuban and Dominican salsa and Bachat
So in the scene there's many girls in their 20th

3. I do agree bachata is much easier than salsa and salsa it self makes me dance bachata much better
 
Offbeat said:
Since when have we became a pick-up advising site? I am surprised the thread got traction. Seriously??
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I didn't ask for Pickup advising as I have already long experience in doing that

One more thing I'd like to add
If you just feel that picking up or dating is bad thing to discuss then it's big problem and you just should think again about it
 
DJ Yuca said:
Comments like this never cease to amaze me. If a man and a woman meet at salsa and from there enjoy spending time together, doing whatever, as friends or in a relationship, what is the problem? Believe it or not women have needs as well as men and for most people it's natural to look to meet someone whilst socialising and participating in a hobby.

Sure if someone is dishonest it's a problem but the fact is, dishonest people are out there everywhere and as adults we have to learn not to believe what they say (unless we want to). And there is nothing in the OP to suggest that the poster is dishonest. If a man is pressuring women who are not interested that's another matter - even if it's purely for economic reasons, any decent promoter or instructor or venue owner needs to tell the pest to stop scaring off the students or they will be banned. But again - there is nothing in the OP to suggest that the poster is pressuring women who aren't interested. We don't know him or his scene.



That's a generalisation plus it assumes that the OP is a teenager or in his early 20s. There are plenty of attractive women who dance salsa, particularly if the OP is interested in women in their 30s (or older).



Oh please there are innumerable men who aren't Latin who manage to find whatever they're looking for (relationship or hook up) at salsa classes or events. Even I've managed it on occasion.



This is pretty accurate.
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Best answer over here I swear
Appreciate it Brother
 
DJ Yuca said:
Comments like this never cease to amaze me. If a man and a woman meet at salsa and from there enjoy spending time together, doing whatever, as friends or in a relationship, what is the problem? Believe it or not women have needs as well as men and for most people it's natural to look to meet someone whilst socialising and participating in a hobby.
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I often wonder why it's okay to hit on women in the Salsa scene but everybody understands women don't want to be hit on constantly while doing yoga or in the gym (hence: gyms only for women). The image you describe is pretty cute and romantic but couldn't be further from the truth in my scene. Women are getting hit on so agressively they're either avoiding to go out or are ending their dancing career. Since women are hit on in Salsa clubs all the time (similar to an attractive barkeeper in a place frequented by a lot of guys) you need to be even more forward to break through her 'most men are animals' barrier. But now guess what, the other guys in the room are not stupid either and follow the same strategy, so the whole situation escalates even more. Good luck in finding an happy, flirtatious woman on the dancefloor when you're the 25th horny guy to agressivly hit on her that night (and you have to to gather her attention). To think you're the only guy who is not bothering a female when making advances is pretty delusional.

If a man is pressuring women who are not interested that's another matter - even if it's purely for economic reasons, any decent promoter or instructor or venue owner needs to tell the pest to stop scaring off the students or they will be banned.
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"Decent," exactly. That's not my experience how these clubs work. The disrespectful guys are paying their entrance fee just like everybody else and you don't want to lose 30% of your customer base. It's not about pressuring anybody, it's about doing the same stupid thing as those 30% do. If a girl is interested she'll come to you, no need to bother her.

That's a generalisation plus it assumes that the OP is a teenager or in his early 20s. There are plenty of attractive women who dance salsa, particularly if the OP is interested in women in their 30s (or older).
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Op was talking about "girls" when I remember correctly. I wouldn't consider adult women in their thirties "girls." Again, my perspective: Girls in my scene are usually in the age between 21 and 27. You will hardly meet any women between the ages of thirty and fourty because of a jealous husband waiting at home and someone having to take care of the kids (it's one of the debates in times of corona as well, women who have to stay at home). I think it's quite sad you have to give up your favorite hobby but that's the way things go. Then you have a huge gap and women from the age of 40/45 start to rediscover their love for salsa (when the kids are teenagers and can take care of themselves).

Oh please there are innumerable men who aren't Latin who manage to find whatever they're looking for (relationship or hook up) at salsa classes or events. Even I've managed it on occasion.
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Trump doesn't ALWAYS say something stupid when he opens his mouth.

This is pretty accurate.
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Thank you.
 
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