Rueda de Casino

hopelessly_addicted said:
valconix said:
being warned ? lol I to would have a issues with dancing also if I was being warned :) think of it as casual smooth chit chat on the dance floor.
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I'm really ignorant with rueda de casino so this might sound stupid, but wouldn't "smooth chit chatting" on the dance floor get in the way of forming that close connection/intimacy with your partner and the music? I always thought of rueda as always having that playful element because of the pre-warning factor.
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Actually, when the Caller delivers the commands through signals, the side talks or singing along the song do not get in the way.

The side effects to that are (1) that the entire group must learn the hand signals and (2) mistakes were numerous because you cannot keep your eyes on the caller 100% of the time.

Alfaro and Macario from Los Guaracheros de Regla at one point spent about a month developing signals due to difficulties in hearing the commands because of loud music. It can be done but still does not work the same.
 
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Guarachero said:
It is not that in Cuba goes by the name of Casino. That's the name given to the faster version of Son. That dance was invented by Cubans in Cuba. Later took a more international name.
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Of course, Rueda measns circle. But my point is that when people ask about the difference between Salsa and Casino, I (as having been at its birth place and been a participant) have to disagree.
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When comparsa soloist and Quinceañeras choreographer Alfaro came up with the idea, no one would have believed that this youthful play could have scalated to so much controversy. I never would have believed that there were so many Salsa authorities out there.
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Guarachero
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Very true
 
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davidfroly said:
Guarachero said:
It is not that in Cuba goes by the name of Casino. That's the name given to the faster version of Son. That dance was invented by Cubans in Cuba. Later took a more international name.

Of course, Rueda measns circle. But my point is that when people ask about the difference between Salsa and Casino, I (as having been at its birth place and been a participant) have to disagree.

When comparsa soloist and Quinceañeras choreographer Alfaro came up with the idea, no one would have believed that this youthful play could have scalated to so much controversy. I never would have believed that there were so many Salsa authorities out there.

Guarachero
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Very true
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In Cuba, yes... Casino and Salsa are the same thing.

Outside Cuba, in the rest of the world, where other styles of salsa are also danced, Casino is the name given for Cuban-style salsa. So outside Cuba, Casino is a style of salsa but not all salsa is Casino. Saying that salsa and Casino mean the same thing ignores the presence of other styles of salsa -- NY, LA, Colombian, London style, whatever -- which are all salsa but not called Casino.
 
Alain Linares ("Puro Habano"):

-How can you even ask me what kind of salsa I teach and dance? There's only one true salsa. Cuban salsa. Also called salsa casino. The first and true one. The other styles were made up of nothing, just because people had nothing to do. And please, never ask me that again. Cuban salsa. And that's it.
 
PropriedadDeClubDenbow said:
Alain Linares ("Puro Habano"):

-How can you even ask me what kind of salsa I teach and dance? There's only one true salsa. Cuban salsa. Also called salsa casino. The first and true one. The other styles were made up of nothing, just because people had nothing to do. And please, never ask me that again. Cuban salsa. And that's it.
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A: Hey! That's not Rice Pudding! There's only one true Rice Pudding and it's made with semolina! And it's called Semolina Pudding! Not only don't you know how to make real Rice Pudding but you also have the cheek to call it Rice Pudding when the real Rice Pudding is right here and it's made with Semolina!

B: But wait, why do you call it Rice Pudding if it's made with Semolina?

A: That was you guys! Not only do you make Rice Pudding with Rice and not Semolina but you call it Rice Pudding too! You don't know what you're talking about! I make the original Rice pudding with Semolina! Rice Pudding is descended from Semolina Pudding which was made right here in Semolinaland! So all Rice Pudding is really just Semolina Pudding but you guys make it with Rice because you are stupid!
 
PropriedadDeClubDenbow said:
Alain Linares ("Puro Habano"):

-How can you even ask me what kind of salsa I teach and dance? There's only one true salsa. Cuban salsa. Also called salsa casino. The first and true one. The other styles were made up of nothing, just because people had nothing to do. And please, never ask me that again. Cuban salsa. And that's it.
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I just don't get it! How do you get the chicken before the egg? The term 'Salsa' was coined in the '70s but Casino was danced and developed in the '50s-60s and (as far as I am aware) the term was not widely adopted by Cubanos until the 1990s, well after Timba had become popular.
 
PropriedadDeClubDenbow said:
Alain Linares ("Puro Habano"):

-How can you even ask me what kind of salsa I teach and dance? There's only one true salsa. Cuban salsa. Also called salsa casino. The first and true one. The other styles were made up of nothing, just because people had nothing to do. And please, never ask me that again. Cuban salsa. And that's it.
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How can you even ask me what kind of Salsa I teach and play?
There's only one true Salsa. Cuban Salsa. Also called Timba. The first and true one. The other styles (NY, Puerto Rican, Colombian) were made up of nothing, just because people had nothing to do (like Oscar De Leon). And please, never ask me that again.
Cuban Salsa. And that's it.

:twisted: A musician would never say this as collaboration and taking in influences from other genres is what inspires them!
 
azzey said:
PropriedadDeClubDenbow said:
Alain Linares ("Puro Habano"):

-How can you even ask me what kind of salsa I teach and dance? There's only one true salsa. Cuban salsa. Also called salsa casino. The first and true one. The other styles were made up of nothing, just because people had nothing to do. And please, never ask me that again. Cuban salsa. And that's it.
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I just don't get it! How do you get the chicken before the egg? The term 'Salsa' was coined in the '70s but Casino was danced and developed in the '50s-60s and (as far as I am aware) the term was not widely adopted by Cubanos until the 1990s, well after Timba had become popular.
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Seems to me the only utility of that quote is that SF needs a bigger one of these -----> :roll:
 
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MacMoto said:
In Cuba, yes... Casino and Salsa are the same thing.

Outside Cuba, in the rest of the world, where other styles of salsa are also danced, Casino is the name given for Cuban-style salsa. So outside Cuba, Casino is a style of salsa but not all salsa is Casino. Saying that salsa and Casino mean the same thing ignores the presence of other styles of salsa -- NY, LA, Colombian, London style, whatever -- which are all salsa but not called Casino.
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I think we can all agree that the terms "original salsa" "pure salsa" and "true salsa" are all oxymorons.

Most cubans will go as far as to deny the existence of a dance named salsa. They call it mambo, or son, or whatever...

Heck, Tito Puente himself (yes, I know he was portorican) went as far as to say that salsa is "something you put on your food".

Salsa seems to be a combination of everything dancers like aboul latin music and dance. Other than that, it is almost impossible to define.

One thing is for certain. Rueda de casino is the most fun form of "salsa" you can have on a dancefloor with your friends, bar none.
 
Not a big fan of Rueda but in the Cuban scene I know that's where most of the guys get their first sequences. The sequences they learn in the class disappear after the class but Rueda sequences are re-enforced everytime so that tends to be the bread and butter sequences you will see.

Some rueda moves are not 100% leadable so a little cutting and pasting is required if you want to use them for real dancing.



On the bad side...
I tend to get a lot of back-leading in Rueda which I hate. When they don't know the move they freeze up but are well able to follow the same sequence if it was on the dance-floor. I lead in Rueda even though it seems I can get away with it.

I don't like the fact that I have to be told what I have to do. Maybe that's not an issue for followers but to me it doesn't feel like dancing at all waiting to someone to shout "tres sombreros" (a move with non-leadable elements).

Without being allowed to lead and taking instructions when I dance it doesn't feel like dancing and I switch off. I'm essentially following.

Rueda isn't taken too seriously and isn't a regular part of the class. The bad side of it is you're always doing to same 7 or 8 moves. After you've mastered the moves repeating the same moves for the next few years isn't exactly fun.

I have a clip of some professional Rueda...here's a photo of it.



It's definitely not impossible to duplicate with some of the advanced dancers with a little training. But everyone's rueda level is low as it's not priority for them. If I found a place where they did Rueda exclusively I'd check it out .
 
Me too, I agree with what you wrote, but I still like rueda for the reason that it's much more efficient than normal salsa. There are less pauses and less down-time (like in salsa when women have to switch all the time and some never learn the switch order). And still, even if you learn the same moves, you still have some moves you learn well and can always remember if all else fails.

But rueda is best danced with only a few people that you know. Even then it won't last long before other people with lower skill level will insist in joining your rueda, and thereby ending it.

In ruedas organised by teachers, even if they say that do only join the rueda if you know something, people with no experience will join the rueda and that's why it never works.
 
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