in addition, in Cuba blacks were never prohibited from marrying whites by the state
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in addition, in Cuba blacks were never prohibited from marrying whites by the state
even though, in Cuba blacks were never prohibited from marrying whites by the state.... in Cuba also existed the racist germ, racist white parents will try to prevent their sons and daughters from marrying blacks, but most of the time the couples married anyways 
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1derpalm
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After they were 'freed" their cultural practices were still outlawed in public. At into the earlier part of the 20th century, black musicians weren't allowed to be on stage with their groups in concert halls (Arsenio rodriguez for instance). To me that's fairly close to segregation.
Castro's beef with bautiste (pre exile and radicalisation) stemmed from the latter's mixed blood status and being allowed into a social club (of memory serves me).
Castro's beef with bautiste (pre exile and radicalisation) stemmed from the latter's mixed blood status and being allowed into a social club (of memory serves me).
the congas were not allowed to be used publicly on the orchestras, that shows the ban on the practice of african religions in public, was Arsenio who used them for the first time in the late 1930s but i have heard that orchestras have used them before.... africans were not allowed to practice their religions in public before Castro, also christians were outlawed from congregating in private during the Castro years.... social clubs were also owned by americans in cuba, now you can deduce why blacks were not allowed, clubs as tropicana did allowed them
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1derpalm
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Exactly lol. But systemic racism is and has basically always been a thing in Cuba since colonial times. It wasn't just because of americans (in case that was what was implied in the above statement). The Solares were originally for rich white people (that's why they had so many rooms... For them to be profitable). But since it has been Where the Blacks were placed. They also seem to wait the longest for healthcare assistance etc. Again.. Not outright segregation but it's more of a hop than a leap to get there.
those discriminations you mention were not just against poor black people, they were also against poor white people who were also discriminated.... i'm not only blaming americans but american tourists used to complaint to the clubs about blacks, the clubs used to accommodate the rich over the poor, that included poor white cubans
1derpalm
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This isn't the thread to debate this but I feel that there is denial about the black racismn cuba by anyone other than black Cubans lol.
i said this before.... in Cuba also existed racism toward blacks
i believe that existed more before than today
timberamayor
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I was googling yesterday and found an academic paper about how mixed race families were common during (after) the slavery era in Cuba, but unlike in the US, many Cuban fathers claimed the children as their own and they were raised by their fathers as their legitimate children. I didn't read very far, but did download the PDf for future reading.i said this before.... in Cuba also existed racism toward blacks
And if we're going to swing this back around to Orquesta Revé, when I was in Guantanamo for the 3rd International Changüí Festival, Elito was staying at a cousin's Casa particular. Elito told me that when the ancestor of their family fled to Cuba from Haiti, he had a white wife but also had (maybe started in Cuba not sure) a mixed side to the family. So one branch of the family has a Caucasian appearance, while the other is mixed race. Of course, the seemingly Caucasian side is probably mixed as well, but I never asked that many personal details
1derpalm
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Perhaps we shpuld start a new thread for open discussion lol. So easy to get side tracked. But here is from a Cuban website (office in San lazaro near Vedado):
" With national freedom, the whites, though grateful to the black, were in a superior economic and intellectual condition and controlled most of the wealth. The black people, but recently lifted from slavery, less educated, was kept in subordinate position. Although the average white Creole hotly disclaims any such thing as color prejudices. A little conversation with the white Cuban soon reveals the real barrier that exists."
Therefore before and after but link is easier.
www.cuba-junky.com
" With national freedom, the whites, though grateful to the black, were in a superior economic and intellectual condition and controlled most of the wealth. The black people, but recently lifted from slavery, less educated, was kept in subordinate position. Although the average white Creole hotly disclaims any such thing as color prejudices. A little conversation with the white Cuban soon reveals the real barrier that exists."
Therefore before and after but link is easier.
Black Culture in Cuba | Cuba Junky
i think you are a master on the usage of the terms hehehe, but all those terms you mentioned are not used only in cuba they are also well known in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and any other country with black descendants in america.... as i said before, countries with a high indigenous american population the mestizo term is more common, if i'm not mistaken, all were used since colonial times
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This song from that album, Espero que pase el tiempo
1. can anyone make out the precise words of their call out to Papo Lucca and Pacheco? (after 3:00)
2. that chorus "yo tengo otro cariño que me sabe comprender" from 1:45 feels super familiar, there must be some other popular track using the same rhythm/melody (but not words)
3. is that a cuíca around 2:30? I don't think I ever noticed that in Cuban tracks, only ever in salsa tracks from that time
1. can anyone make out the precise words of their call out to Papo Lucca and Pacheco? (after 3:00)
2. that chorus "yo tengo otro cariño que me sabe comprender" from 1:45 feels super familiar, there must be some other popular track using the same rhythm/melody (but not words)
3. is that a cuíca around 2:30? I don't think I ever noticed that in Cuban tracks, only ever in salsa tracks from that time
I probably meant Otro nivel by Orquesta Akokán
Not as close as I thought, but do you hear the similarity?