Multiple classes a week to progress, or nothing?

:) All I'm saying sleep is a mystery even for people who know a lot of it. By lot I mean they've been studying it for 50+ years.

What can be useful for DG and others with long commute is that naps do count. If there is 2x1h train rides a day and you get 2x30 minutes of nap, this is a lot. And there is consensus that it helps learning. :) [some types of learning]

You're forgetting that I'm in NYC where it's nearly impossible to get a seat on the subway during rush hour.
 
Little experiment: by a show of hands of people reading this post, who do you personally know is like really good (I mean like you're at known socials in known cities and you have like many people trying waiting in "line" for a dance) purely by taking classes? The answer is ZERO! Social dancing is important.... like if you want to learn how to dance non-choreographed, you need to social dance. Makes sense right?

Picture this: you go to high school or college. You have to study, but don't have to take any tests. Sounds silly right?

Why study then? Yeah you'll absorb the info, but how do you know how well you absorbed it? How do you know what you need from the studying (to study more, to study a specific topic over another)? I don't know about you, but taking tests improves my studying... and I'm able to ask the teacher more pinpoint questions about what I need. Also, imagine if you had to study, but just had one test at the end of the year. You'd be pretty nervous, right? Part of the idea of regular tests is to make the action somewhat monotonous, so that when a test does come, you are truly tested instead of being nervous about the test itself.

The EXACT thing applies here. You social dance to test what you know, and what you need to know. It helps internalize. It helps you calm down (you go to class, it's nothing but turn patterns! How do you how to calm down and enjoy the music? Class doesn't teach this). It helps you know where you stand, and what you need to focus on in a class. You learn to be comfortable with holding the opposite sex (or same sex if that's how you roll) in close embrace... you'll do it in class, but not with nearly enough repetition to get comfortable with it for most people in my experience.

Please, please social dance. If you ABSOLUTELY, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can make time for social dancing (and I sincerely hope this isn't a cop out excuse not to because you're only hurting yourself), instead of paying for lessons, pay different teachers or people to dance with you. Clubs open too late for your taste? Find like minded individuals and set up a small social at your or someone else's house or any place with a decent floor.

Remember, even all the popular Salsa studios in NY that do choreographed shows are based on shines & social leading [Santo Rico, Karisma, Yamulee, Eddie Torres, DanceOn2, Abakua, etc]), so whatever you're learning is most likely for use in a social context / setting.

I know people who have stopped dancing and dance once in a while to enjoy it. People who dance every now and then socially, and people who take Salsa classes as glorified Zumba classes. Either is fine, but in regards to improving I'd probably take dancing socially every now and then rather than taking lessons every now and then.
 
Exactly! And what made Salsa hard for me is that the results of your tests (at socials) all depends on what person you dance with. One partner may like your lead and highly praise it. Another partner may hate it and not want to dance with you again.

With college, you take a test and there's a right and wrong answer. You get 90% of the questions right, you get an A. Congrats! You passed with flying colors.

But how does this work with Salsa? Now, that is exactly why I've been going crazy before. It's not because Salsa is so hard for me and that I'm going through so much hell, but it's mainly because I'm struggling to evaluate how well I'm progressing. I don't have a transcript, like I did in college, to show me if I'm doing well. I can only rely on my partners and each partner say things that contradict each other. So, it drives me crazy at times.

Anyways, with that said, I still have yet to go back for lessons. Right now, I have no excuse. I've just been out of practice for so long that I'm too lazy and bit intimidated to go back. So, there's a little lack of encouragement there. Maybe next week, we'll see. :)
 
Some people are not going to like the way you dance: there's literally too many styles and too many preferences out there to please everyone. That's why socials are good because even failure represents improvement: usually you can work on trying to feel out what people hate about the way you dance (some follows like tricker stuff, less tricky, more spins, less spins, more showing off the girl, less showing off the girl, more patterns, less patterns, more sensual, less sensual, more roughness, more softness, the list goes on and on....), and you learn to cater the way you dance to different people, or add a new element to how you normally lead.

Example: I used to be a very gentle/medium dancer, and I would go to dance with some girls that were like really strong... some girls like / require a little bit more force than usual (and they say silly things like "tense up your arms")

I still like to lead assertively but gentle, but I can tailor my lead to someone who likes a little bit "more" based on the type of frame and resistance they're giving me.

Progress can be measured in so many ways...and is just whatever you think is progress basically. If you go out one night and have an ok time, and go out one night and have a blast (due in no small part to whatever you've been working on), that's progress. Dance with the same girl you danced with the other week, and feel better about the dance? That's progress. When I used to first start dancing, I got rejected for dances a lot. One night I told myself to ignore the rejections and keep trying to have fun. I got rejected 6 times in a row.. the fact that I was able to keep asking was progress for me.. it taught me not to take failure or rejection to heart, which I feel reflected in how I dance sometimes.
 
I'll offer a different analogy DancingGuy. Taking classes to learn salsa and not social dancing is like getting a qualification and not doing anything with it afterwards. Imagine someone who has spent 6 years at a medical school, passing the exams and qualifying as a medical doctor. He's got his shiny new MD certificate and is officially ready to practise as a doctor, but is he able to perform just like other doctors who have been on the front line for 10+ years? Definitely not. What's the difference? Years of real-life, clinical experience. That's not something you can pick up at school, no matter how hard you study. You can only gain real-life experience by doing it in real life. You will make mistakes at first, and everything will be difficult. Patients will want to be seen by an experienced doctor for reassurance, not by a freshly qualified young thing like you. It's frustrating and stressful. It's a challenge. But the more you do it, the easier it will become because you gain experience, slowly but surely. And without going through the challenge and learning the hard lessons in the real-life setting, you will still be the same newly-qualified junior doctor in 10 years' time. People on this board have all gone through this and know from their own experience, which is why people here keep telling you to go social dancing.
 
Worrying about pleasing everyone in salsa is like an author worrying all demographics wont enjoy the book he/she is writing. Learn your favoured audiences and spend the most time with them. The longer you dance the bigger your favoured audience becomes as you learn to manage better peoples individual needs.
 
Worrying about pleasing everyone in salsa is like an author worrying all demographics wont enjoy the book he/she is writing. Learn your favoured audiences and spend the most time with them. The longer you dance the bigger your favoured audience becomes as you learn to manage better peoples individual needs.

+1
 
With college, you take a test and there's a right and wrong answer. You get 90% of the questions right, you get an A. Congrats! You passed with flying colors.

True for, say, math, but what about a literature class where you have an essay test? One instructor will give you an A for being insightful, another a C for missing a point that he considered important.

So... one girl gives you an A for being smooth and gentle, another a C for not spinning her enough.;)
 
True for, say, math, but what about a literature class where you have an essay test? One instructor will give you an A for being insightful, another a C for missing a point that he considered important.

So... one girl gives you an A for being smooth and gentle, another a C for not spinning her enough.;)

And that is why there are certain teachers in school that I dislike. I took two English courses in college. My first English teacher kept giving me A's on my essays because he said that my writing is excellent. But then I had another teacher that kept giving me C+ on my essays because she said my writing was confusing.

So you're right, Salsa dancing was the same way. Some partners are giving me A's while others are giving me C's.
 
I'll offer a different analogy DancingGuy. Taking classes to learn salsa and not social dancing is like getting a qualification and not doing anything with it afterwards. Imagine someone who has spent 6 years at a medical school, passing the exams and qualifying as a medical doctor. He's got his shiny new MD certificate and is officially ready to practise as a doctor, but is he able to perform just like other doctors who have been on the front line for 10+ years? Definitely not. What's the difference? Years of real-life, clinical experience. That's not something you can pick up at school, no matter how hard you study. You can only gain real-life experience by doing it in real life. You will make mistakes at first, and everything will be difficult. Patients will want to be seen by an experienced doctor for reassurance, not by a freshly qualified young thing like you. It's frustrating and stressful. It's a challenge. But the more you do it, the easier it will become because you gain experience, slowly but surely. And without going through the challenge and learning the hard lessons in the real-life setting, you will still be the same newly-qualified junior doctor in 10 years' time. People on this board have all gone through this and know from their own experience, which is why people here keep telling you to go social dancing.

Excellent analogy!! :)
 
And that is why there are certain teachers in school that I dislike. I took two English courses in college. My first English teacher kept giving me A's on my essays because he said that my writing is excellent. But then I had another teacher that kept giving me C+ on my essays because she said my writing was confusing.

So you're right, Salsa dancing was the same way. Some partners are giving me A's while others are giving me C's.

Exactly. It happens to all of us, and it's part of what makes salsa so appealing: Unlike classes, you get to keep 'testing' with those partners over time, and some of them will raise your grade to 'A'.:D
 
I'm happy to report that I finally passed my last exam and my life is now free. I can attend multiple Salsa classes a week now. I shall return to dancing on Friday. I will be going to this school where I can take walk in classes for now. And I'll be going back to SR in April when their new cycle opens. Yay! :D
 
I'm happy to report that I finally passed my last exam and my life is now free. I can attend multiple Salsa classes a week now. I shall return to dancing on Friday. I will be going to this school where I can take walk in classes for now. And I'll be going back to SR in April when their new cycle opens. Yay! :D

Congratulations on passing your final exam!
:banana: :rocker: :cheers:
 
Thanks! And if you guys are wondering, the exam I was taking was the CPA exam. It's 4 parts and these have got to be the most difficult tests I've ever had to take in my life. So glad that's over and now I can dance and enjoy!!
 
I'm happy to report that I finally passed my last exam and my life is now free. I can attend multiple Salsa classes a week now. I shall return to dancing on Friday. I will be going to this school where I can take walk in classes for now. And I'll be going back to SR in April when their new cycle opens. Yay! :D

Congrats! I hope you know SR has a 2nd studio in Queens now too. The classes are taught by Jeff and Edwin, and I believe it might be less crowded than the Manhattan studio.
 
Congrats! I hope you know SR has a 2nd studio in Queens now too. The classes are taught by Jeff and Edwin, and I believe it might be less crowded than the Manhattan studio.

Yeah, I heard about that. But their Manhattan studio is a lot closer to where I work, so I may have to go there for classes still. But I see they have a lot of practice parties at the new location. So, I may attend those.
 
welcome back dude. I'm sure you'll let us know how it goes and I hope you'll get out of beginners hell in shorter time. just jump stronger when you feel the heat ;)
 
I'm happy to report that I finally passed my last exam and my life is now free. I can attend multiple Salsa classes a week now. I shall return to dancing on Friday. I will be going to this school where I can take walk in classes for now. And I'll be going back to SR in April when their new cycle opens. Yay! :D

Congrats! Hope to dance with you at some of the socials/clubs!
 
Simple rule of thumb, for every 1 hour of class, do 5 hours of personal training and practice (social is included in this).
 
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