Muelleo/ bouncy basic

Chris_Yannick said:
Nice finds. A couple of observations:

The Paradiso guy is generating the bounce through his knees bending. You're right that he's mainly just stepping flat and focusing just on the knees, which is also creating a bit of a rocking in his upper body, which brings me to:

What Artia's doing. Artia's movement is generated from his upper torso. He rocks back and forth and his head is reacting by bobbing up and down. However, if you look at his feet, he is also pushing off like ET Jr. So he's actually doing what ETJr teaches, but without focusing on the push off.

The way I learned it was by doing Eddie Torres Jr's Palo step. The way he explains the movement is by focusing on the push-off the ground, then transferring the weight and landing on the opposite foot. Because he also has amazing upper body movement, he's able to use his entire body similar to Artia.

Oliver's video, IMO, is the farthest away from the bounce since he's focusing only on pushing his hips back and forth. To me, this is more of an isolation. But that entire challenge is basically one big exercise in isolations.

Anyway, that's how I see it. I take classes with Eddie Torres Jr directly so I use his technique and it's super effective. He's the only one who teaches by pushing off the ground, which is one of his fundamental principles of his Salsa stepping technique. Artia is basically doing what ETJr is doing, but his focus is on the upper body. Next is the Paradiso guy, which looks ok but he doesn't engage as much of his body as the othe two. However, his explanation is fantastic. Finally Oliver's movement to me is just a hip undulation. When he walks back and forth, there is no bounce.
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Great analysis! Yeah I definitely like ETJr's look the most. Does he explain it any more in his lessons? I took a few classes of his body movement/pachanga/boogaloo lessons before they switched to the subscription only setup and they were extremely helpful. I can do his "regular" version of the basic but this one seems a lot harder! Onto practicing I guess.
 
dance4lyfe said:
Great analysis! Yeah I definitely like ETJr's look the most. Does he explain it any more in his lessons? I took a few classes of his body movement/pachanga/boogaloo lessons before they switched to the subscription only setup and they were extremely helpful. I can do his "regular" version of the basic but this one seems a lot harder! Onto practicing I guess.
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He teaches the Palo step in his Pachanga videos. I don't remember if it's in his beginner or intermediate Pachanga video series, though. Most likely intermediate. The thing is, he doesn't teach it as part of the basic step. It's a separate step. But when he does his bouncy basic, it's the same technique. After practicing his Palo step, I noticed my bounce was also improving, so that's when I made the connection. Then by adding in the shoulders and upper torso, you can make it more pronounced.
 
Chris_Yannick said:
He teaches the Palo step in his Pachanga videos. I don't remember if it's in his beginner or intermediate Pachanga video series, though. Most likely intermediate. The thing is, he doesn't teach it as part of the basic step. It's a separate step. But when he does his bouncy basic, it's the same technique. After practicing his Palo step, I noticed my bounce was also improving, so that's when I made the connection. Then by adding in the shoulders and upper torso, you can make it more pronounced.
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Ahh okay thanks! I only did some of the Beginner Pachanga Technique ones so it was probably in the intermediate. I'll probably have to subscribe again sometime soon !
 
Chris_Yannick said:
He teaches the Palo step in his Pachanga videos. I don't remember if it's in his beginner or intermediate Pachanga video series, though. Most likely intermediate. The thing is, he doesn't teach it as part of the basic step. It's a separate step. But when he does his bouncy basic, it's the same technique. After practicing his Palo step, I noticed my bounce was also improving, so that's when I made the connection. Then by adding in the shoulders and upper torso, you can make it more pronounced.
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Is the upper body almost like a body roll down and up (like a whip, like a bizarro body roll)? What to do with shoulders?
 
1derpalm said:
Is the upper body almost like a body roll down and up (like a whip, like a bizarro body roll)? What to do with shoulders?
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It's more the classic forward/back rib cage isolation where you collapse and expand your chest.

Timestamped where the forward/back movement starts. Although IMO, the entire video should be practiced daily. Having greater range of motion in your rib cage is the single most important thing to have for body movement.


To visualize the whole movement, start with your chest slightly collapsed/sunken. At the same time, raise your heel off the ground but don't yet push. Just get prepared to.

Now push off with the ball of the your foot using Eddie Jr's video as a guide. As you push-off the floor, slowly expand your chest out towards the front. To help guide the movement, turn sideways and face a mirror. Then place your finger on the base of the sternum (where that hole is in your chest) and feel as your chest expands. As your opposite foot lands, your chest returns to its normal position. When you do this movement, don't actually step forward yet. Just push off and land with opposite foot in place. Practice by alternating each foot pushing off.

The next step is harder and requires full control of your rib cage, which is Instead of focusing on collapsing and expanding your chest, start doing rib cage circles as you push off the ground. This gives the bounce a 3-D look, which is the ultimate form.

Remember that the bounce comes from your center, not your knees or any other part of the body.

Now add the shoulder. When you push off, the opposite shoulder starts rolling back.

The shoulder roll is very tricky because if your shoulder is even slightly out of alignment with your stepping, the whole movement looks weird - and this is why I do not condone shoulder rolls until everything else looks good. I wouldn't worry about adding the shoulders until it looks clean when you do your normal basic. Then add it to your bouncy basic.
 
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I'm definitely going to apply that. Ty. But i'm also going to apply the concept from the swing step. I found a video of a private I took and the guy and he showed the step. I forgot about it since he didnt really teach it. The timing seems like the swing step to me. And he tapped on 5 sometimes.
But a lady online does a detailed video of the swing step, and I feel there is something I can glean (plus i can't do the swing step).
 
1derpalm said:
I'm definitely going to apply that. Ty. But i'm also going to apply the concept from the swing step. I found a video of a private I took and the guy and he showed the step. I forgot about it since he didnt really teach it. The timing seems like the swing step to me. And he tapped on 5 sometimes.
But a lady online does a detailed video of the swing step, and I feel there is something I can glean (plus i can't do the swing step).
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Very nice breakdown of the swing step, which I haven't seen anyone give a detailed explanation until now.
 
Here's a real bouncy basic at the beginning. With bit of the fall forward thing that people do sometimes that I don't like lol.
 
1derpalm said:
Here's a real bouncy basic at the beginning. With bit of the fall forward thing that people do sometimes that I don't like lol.
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Adrian's also generating bounce lift through his jumps (He does a jumping diamond step at 0:05-0:06 to commence his bounce). Not sure what you mean by the fall forward, though.
 
1derpalm said:
I made a terrible mistake not looking at Krambo dance first. I'd already have it by now....
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I guess it's one way to explain how to bounce. I prefer using the feet to push off against the ground rather than trying to drop the hips (which is very difficult for most people to grasp).
 
Chris_Yannick said:
I guess it's one way to explain how to bounce. I prefer using the feet to push off against the ground rather than trying to drop the hips (which is very difficult for most people to grasp).
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It makes way more sense to me since I look like Mario trying to do it at the moment. But maybe I'll use the upper body concept with the push to see how it feels.
 
1derpalm said:
I'm definitely going to apply that. Ty. But i'm also going to apply the concept from the swing step. I found a video of a private I took and the guy and he showed the step. I forgot about it since he didnt really teach it. The timing seems like the swing step to me. And he tapped on 5 sometimes.
But a lady online does a detailed video of the swing step, and I feel there is something I can glean (plus i can't do the swing step).
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This woman's breakdown of technique is severely underrated. She has a lot of videos on her channel and her explanations of the movements are excellent. I finally got the swing step now by re-watching this video.

If I was in London, I'd be recommending her to everyone I know for body movement.
 
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