Moar male-male dancing..

Report on my newly started male-male dancing experiments.., after finally convincing a friend that it was the only reasonable thing to do if we weren't going to stay beginners for ever.

I found it silly and amusing he had such problems overcoming this resistance to such an obviously brilliant idea.

Well, I was the woman last time, as I mentioned it was actually quite fun to just relax and enjoy the ride once we got the hang of it. Really valuable insights and ahaaa-experiences.

Once over the initial feeling of disgust, no problem. I feel quite confident I could become a pretty good follow. He said I felt as good as most of the girls at class, a bit on the heavy side.

But today we took turns, switching roles for every second song. I stopped laughing at his homophobia. Turned out I was the loser in this Homo Chicken Race.

Still no problem being the follow, still enjoyed it, but leading him.., oh dear..

He was an awful follow, didn't feel like any woman at all, and having this grotesque individual so close was suddenly more than a bit revolting.

This overwhelming feeling of masculinity - I cringe at the thought. Switching to be the lead suddenly made just touching him clearly unpleasant. Switching back to being the follow - no problem, ladidaa.., dancing away..

As a lead - I couldn't even get the basic steps with ordinary closed hold to feel right, couldn't help myself turning away from him, pushing my shoulders forward, drawing my hips and private parts away.

As soon as he improved a little bit at following some of my feelings of disgust lessened. But they did not go away.

Strange.., I've danced with really ugly wrinkled old fat women, and it's never been even in the neighbourhood of disgusting no matter how badly they danced, their appearance doesn't bother me at all. Leading is still fun if it's a woman.

He didn't have any problem with either role anymore, once we were over the initial touching and got started dancing.

The difference between leading and following is clearly dramatic, when I follow I don't have to focus on him much, just focus on his signals and myself, a kind of introverted activity.

But leading is for real, you have to really focus on the follow, the person, especially a bad follow.

Well well, I am exaggerating a bit - it's not that awful, still doable, and the learning effect for both of us is just too great to ignore, will keep doing it until it's all just fun.

But it is kind of surprising and confusing to me.
 
I remember somebody posting a while ago with the exact opposite experience - he found leading his male friend slightly off-putting but no more than that, but felt nauseated when following. Maybe I'll dig around for the thread a bit later.
 
I guess that would be my original post, since then he until now simply refused to try this again.

What surprised me this time is how there can be such a big difference between leading and following the same person.

When I follow - no problem at all, enjoying it. When I lead him - a bit too nauseated to be able to do a proper job.
 
From the few times I've led a male partner the things I've noticed have been how big they are compared to the average female. Silly really but you don't really notice it so much just talking to someone. Then when you dance it's like turning into Little Red Riding Hood - "My, what big hands you have!" :lol:

Then there's the whole issue of controlling the inertia/momentum of someone who's heavier than you.
 
How interesting!

Funny that you should try for closed hold even though you were not comfortable. When leading you can control how closely you dance so you can set your comfort levels. When I lead a guy I tend to keep it hands-off and handholdy, platonic like it's my best friend's wife and he doesn't dance and he's watching.
 
I remember somebody posting a while ago with the exact opposite experience - he found leading his male friend slightly off-putting but no more than that, but felt nauseated when following. Maybe I'll dig around for the thread a bit later.

I wonder if that feeling was from dancing with another male, or just from following. I had a woman lead me through a dance at the club last night, and did feel a little ill afterwards. It was a combination of spinning way more than I would as a lead, and also of feeling totally inept!:confused:
 
I've done it once...hahahah it was an experience...but i tend to be the leader and not the follower....

ive seen many pro leaders dance with eachother

im cool with it ...but doing it too often could often lead to a mistaken identity ...no pun intended :)
 
How interesting!

Funny that you should try for closed hold even though you were not comfortable. When leading you can control how closely you dance so you can set your comfort levels. When I lead a guy I tend to keep it hands-off and handholdy, platonic like it's my best friend's wife and he doesn't dance and he's watching.

Well, we were trying to get the stuff we worked on in class right. And dancing platonically, ok, I'll try..

There might also be a difference in what kind of dancers we are at this stage.

He's technically far better than me, rarely makes a mistake. When I see him dance with women they sure enjoy it, but he looks kind of neutral, not very stylish and a bit detached, his problem area might be that he's not that good at finding the rythm or adapting to the music.

Myself, I'm more of a sloppy cheater on the technical side, problems remembering my moves and makes all kinds of mistakes, especially with my footwork, and compensates these flaws by being into the music, trying to be "stylish", being rythmical and unlike my IRL self - flirting like crazy.

To me, no matter what the follow looks like, she's a pretty girl I'm gonna show off for and play with for a while. Feels like flirting is the polite thing to do, and it's nice to have the this innocent opportunity without being threatening or creating any "situations".

But when I lead him, I have to focus on him. And there ain't no pretty girl in there. I see this..

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or maybe this..

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(Yes, exaggerating again)
Nothing there I really want to relate to physically in any way. I lose my crutch.

So, since we tend to naturally focus on our strong points, as a more technically focused dancer it's maybe not so surprising he's not having the problems I have. And it's a good thing I'll be forced to focus more on the technical sides.

Also, we get other kinds of quality feedback from each other than from the girls at class. We're used to insult each other anyway, so when you get told you feel like a wimp, there's no problem. You also get to know exactly in what way and why.

The inexperienced women at class also have a hard time pinpointing the problem. Their criticism usually aren't very accurate - and risks being more annoying than useful.

For better or worse they mostly just show how they feel, good enough for me.
 
Wow! I never knew men could suffer from camel toe!

I can see the thigh high boots from Zardoz coming back into fashion though :lol: Next season's catwalk for sure!
 
From the few times I've led a male partner the things I've noticed have been how big they are compared to the average female. Silly really but you don't really notice it so much just talking to someone. Then when you dance it's like turning into Little Red Riding Hood - "My, what big hands you have!" :lol:

lol indeed!
The other day I had to lead the Salsa teacher so he could clarify sth for the ladies - it was like dancing with a gorilla!
 
yup...i'm not a fan. The feeling of a guys hands alone is just so different and to be honest not pleasant. I've done most of my leading of guys in class room settings either in salsa or tango and it's always the same; too much mass, annoying feeling in the hands, and the physics just feel completely different.
 
yup...i'm not a fan. The feeling of a guys hands alone is just so different and to be honest not pleasant. I've done most of my leading of guys in class room settings either in salsa or tango and it's always the same; too much mass, annoying feeling in the hands, and the physics just feel completely different.


I can say the same thing about dancing with women.
 
Lol - was about to emphatically post I LOVE this but then realised my caveats:

I have generally only danced with the best male leaders/male followers. Thus the DANCES are terrific and very high level. I danced a couple of times with males who had bad technique or were not fun to dance with and uggghhhhhh. But that was not about their gender but their energy and technique :)

I would not and do not dance closely with a guy. Just not my thing but as for turn patterns and spins weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Love it!!!

and gentleman, I ASSURE you some of the best followers I have seen and danced with have been male so if you have issues with this you are truly robbing yourself of some amazing dances!!!

Same if you do not follow, its like you DOUBLE your dancing opportunities and fun :)

Its dancing on the dancefloor remember, not mating. Leave that to whenever you find the time ha ha :)
 
What do you mean it's NOT mating?! :o :confused:
Back to football then..lol

There was a report in the British papers last week that Salsa lessons are being offered in British prisons.
The article was trying to make out that this was yet another sign of how 'easy' prison has become.
Lazy journalism there! The very thought of having to dance with a bunch of (male) criminals
should in fact reduce crime rates rapidly.
 
Had a dance with a fella at a local social... and yes, big hands are the first thing you notice!

Started out with him showing me a move I saw him do which I thought looked quite neat given it's simplicity... kept dancing after that, right up till the end when he quickly switched roles and unexpectedly put me into a deep dip. Ended up on my butt laughing like a hyena, was top fun!
 
You are obviously not latins.

male-male dance is simply wrong ( I was to say gay but I refrained myself :D).

no justification can be elaborated

Latin dances are couple dances. Originated as mating rituals.

If you want to hold close another male, and justify it's no homo, try grecoroman fighting, not salsa
 
You are obviously not latins.

male-male dance is simply wrong ( I was to say gay but I refrained myself :D).

no justification can be elaborated

Latin dances are couple dances. Originated as mating rituals.

LOL. You're obviously not Argentine.

I notice you're posting from Switzerland
 
LOL. You're obviously not Argentine.

I notice you're posting from Switzerland

Yes, I saw one of those Tango productions at the Peacock theatre and there was a lot of male-male partner dancing. I understand they would try out new moves on their male friends first so they could get all the mistakes out the way and wow the women with perfect execution first time.

Maybe Argentine men have smaller hands? :lol:
 
You are obviously not latins.

male-male dance is simply wrong ( I was to say gay but I refrained myself :D).

no justification can be elaborated

Latin dances are couple dances. Originated as mating rituals.

If you want to hold close another male, and justify it's no homo, try grecoroman fighting, not salsa

Most of the male-male partnerships that I see are comprised of latinos...So....
 
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