Great article on the history of US racism

[Sabrosura]

Came across this fantastic in-depth article (more like a mini-book) in the Atlantic (free read up to 3 articles per month) about the history of US racism and its lingering impact. Great read for everyone who wants to understand this complex topic better (especially those who subscribe to the black-and-white thinking (pun not intended!) that there is no systemic racism anymore in the US & blacks have the same opportunities as whites). It goes into a lot of details, it's a very well written - and sobering - read.

The Case for Reparations

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Offbeat]

Came across this fantastic in-depth article (more like a mini-book) in the Atlantic (free read up to 3 articles per month) about the history of US racism and its lingering impact. Great read for everyone who wants to understand this complex topic better (especially those who subscribe to the black-and-white thinking (pun not intended!) that there is no systemic racism anymore in the US & blacks have the same opportunities as whites). It goes into a lot of details, it's a very well written - and sobering - read.

The Case for Reparations

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.

www.theatlantic.com

Atlantic, Vox, do good job reporting on subjects. Sometimes New Yorker, Mother Jones, Vice are also good. I am sure I am forgetting a couple.

For people who don’t want to be convinced, no amount of logic or studies is going to change their mind. Read that article sometime back. Didn’t open it but assuming it is not a new one. There have been some interesting radio programs on local NPR station on this subject.

 

[matty]

thankyou for sharing the article. Its very informative

Great read for everyone who wants to understand this complex topic better (especially those who subscribe to the black-and-white thinking (pun not intended!) that there is no systemic racism anymore in the US & blacks have the same opportunities as whites).

this topic came up on an exchange between you and I on a previous thread,
so i guess you must be referring to that
so, we seem to have left it with a basic misunderstanding between us, if this is what you took from it
but i think the term systemic racism is actually as clear as mud when push comes to shove and this is where the dissagreements and misunderstandings come out of

here is an article that explains the confusion pretty well

There's No Such Thing As "Systematic Racism"

“Systemic racism,” as a concept, takes us directly away from clarity and any possibility of a solution.

newdiscourses.com

heres a quick extract from it

"Can anyone in this group, aside from myself,
distinguish clearly between systemic racism, structural racism, and institutional racism?”
The reply was swift and implied a finality to my commentary that I contentedly agreed to with a wry grin: “No!”"

the author, James Lindsay, if you guys dont know him describes himself as a left wing academic
critic of critical race theory
what is critical race theory? (you know all that racial sensitivity training stuff corporations are doing nowadays? thats based on CRT) (which also came up on that thread. and we couldnt find a clear definition for it)

Critical Race Theory

This entry in 'Translations from the Wokish' is an explanation of the term "Critical Race Theory."

newdiscourses.com

 

[Sabrosura]

thankyou for sharing the article. Its very informative

this topic came up on an exchange between you and I on a previous thread,
so i guess you must be referring to that
so, we seem to have left it with a basic misunderstanding between us, if this is what you took from it

This was not directed at you at all actually

Re: the different terms you mentioned -- not sure I see the point to be honest, as the quote says, most people don't understand or even think about the difference between those 3 terms, and that's a bit besides the point; if you want to argue that most people are using the term systemic wrong and a different term should be used, sure, it's probably a bit like how almost everyone says "vagina" instead of the correct term for the female external genitals, "vulva" (that was just the first example that came to mind as I'm always reading medical-related articles and this drives me a bit crazy ) -- but then you should also clarify what would be a better term instead of systemic, since it sounds like you've spent a lot of time on this? As much as I love academic discussions, I think there is such a thing as "getting lost in terminology", in this case the point of the article is simply that there has been widespread (maybe that's a better term, easily understood, doesn't need academic discussions) racism in the US and it has left widespread consequences that continue to affect people today.

 

[matty]

This was not directed at you at all actually

oh right, well this was the only place where I saw the term come up in discussion
I wanted to just make the point that by no means does questioning the framing of some of these topics
mean denying the particular realities you are alluding to here, that's a point you don't want to get lost on people.

it sounds like you've spent a lot of time on this?

ah, I wouldn't say that, but I do find the topic interesting
and you know, 1 year stuck at home... and occasionaly articles crop up in the news or you recieve a company email or whatever that are using all these terms, and so you get curious to see what exactly its all about.