Frankie Martinez Detailed Interview -- Lots of Food for Thought

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The fall edition of the Salsa Mag International magazine includes a very detailed and very interesting interview with Frankie. There is LOTS of food for thought here as Frankie is discussing a variety of topics, from his personal relationship to music and dance, to musicality, the evolution of salsa, salsa as an art form, congresses, and many other things in-between.

I dare say that every SF member will find something interesting in this interview. :) I would be interested in hearing people's thoughts.

www.salsamag.net/2012/fall/
(Starting on page 46)
 
Good article.

I like what he has to say about his aspirations to make Salsa a legitimate art form. (And why he needs to set his sights beyond the Congress circuit in order to go that direction).

Food for thought...
 
Wow, interesting. Frankie Martinez is one of the dancers who has most intrigued me. This interview inspired me to put my own comments about him online - though it's largely just a commentary on the interview.

A question about my subtitle: Is it OK as is, or do I need to change it to Bailador Duro?

www.sealatin.com/Community/Frankie_Martinez
 
Wow, interesting. Frankie Martinez is one of the dancers who has most intrigued me. This interview inspired me to put my own comments about him online - though it's largely just a commentary on the interview.

A question about my subtitle: Is it OK as is, or do I need to change it to Bailador Duro?

www.sealatin.com/Community/Frankie_Martinez

Interesting comments, especially how you read into some of the things he says to assume that he would agree with you in certain other aspects. :P

The correct form of the word is "duro" (the masculine form). I am curious, what does this word convey to you?

Also, it is "nuyorican", not "nuyoricun".
 
Interesting comments, especially how you read into some of the things he says to assume that he would agree with you in other aspects.

What "other aspects" are you referring to? I'll consider making some changes if you can be more specific, but, in all honesty, I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I have a major interest in salsa's roots; so does Frankie Martinez. He says he's nostalgic for the 1960's and 70's; so am I. He's really into the music; so am I.

Frankie Martinez doesn't appear to be a big fan of salsa congresses; ditto. I asked, "Is Frankie Martinez political?" That's just what it looks like - a question. It's a very logical question, considering his fondness for the 1960's, which was a very political era.

So, again, what "other aspects" are you referring to?

I wrote "I'd venture to guess that Frankie Martinez is a big fan of Ruben Blades." If he isn't, then I guessed wrong.

The correct form of the word is "duro" (the masculine form). I am curious, what does this word convey to you?

Duro was my first instinct, but I was confused by the word bailador. I wasn't sure if it's a gender-neutral word (or is there a feminine form - like bailadora?).

What does the term Bailador duro convey to me? As I understand it, salsa dura - literally "hard salsa" - refers to the style of salsa music that was popular during the 1960's and 1970's; it's what people might call classic salsa.

Frankie Martinez is a dancer who's apparently fond of the salsa dura era, which makes him a bailador duro.
 
Duro was my first instinct, but I was confused by the word bailador. I wasn't sure if it's a gender-neutral word (or is there a feminine form - like bailadora?).

Yes, there is a feminine form (bailadora), as the word is not gender-neutral in Spanish like it is in English.

What "other aspects" are you referring to? I'll consider making some changes if you can be more specific, but, in all honesty, I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I have a major interest in salsa's roots; so does Frankie Martinez. He says he's nostalgic for the 1960's and 70's; so am I. He's really into the music; so am I.

Frankie Martinez doesn't appear to be a big fan of salsa congresses; ditto. I asked, "Is Frankie Martinez political?" That's just what it looks like - a question. It's a very logical question, considering his fondness for the 1960's, which was a very political era.

So, again, what "other aspects" are you referring to?

I wrote "I'd venture to guess that Frankie Martinez is a big fan of Ruben Blades." If he isn't, then I guessed wrong.

And another one, taking his statement about dance being like a language and relating it to your thread about incorporating sign language into dancing. These are two very different things (and in fact he says language can be limited, and sign language is a formal language with set symbols).

It is not my place to suggest changes to the article as it represents your own personal, subjective view and interpretation of Frankie's words, as opposed to being a factual rendition of his beliefs. It just strikes me every time I see people jumping to conclusions that validate their own view and interpretation of the world, and I saw that quite clearly in your article. Whether correct or not, you are using his words to validate your own views (and--yes--the politics points stood out to me). Which is fine, as--like I said above--this article represents your own personal interpretation, but just bear in mind that you might be incorrect in all your assumptions about "translating" what he says into agreements with what you believe about the world.
 
And another one, taking his statement about dance being like a language and relating it to your thread about incorporating sign language into dancing. These are two very different things (and in fact he says language can be limited, and sign language is a formal language with set symbols).

No, they're not very different things at all. Language is a form of communication. Dance can be a form of communication, too. Dance can also be very whimsical, and I made a whimsical comment. There's no federal crime here.

Nowhere did I suggest that Frankie Martinez should stop in the middle of a dance and start signing. I simply have an interest in sign language AND in dance as a form of communication, so I thought it was cool to see a star performer promote dance as a language.

It just strikes me every time I see people jumping to conclusions that validate their own view and interpretation of the world . . .

Who's talking about an interpretation of the WORLD??? You're over-reacting in the extreme.

I wrote my article somewhat tongue-in-cheek. For example, I said Frankie Martinez and I are almost joined at the hip when he's a famous dancer, and I can't dance at all. Reading between the lines, I focused on a series of coincidences that I thought made an interesting story - FM and I were both in the Navy, which took both of us to Florida, and I had a friend named Frank Martinez who lived in NYC at the very time salsa was born.

I also noted that Frankie Martinez seems to share some of my views - views that aren't terribly popular among the mainstream. Of course, when I say certain things, people ignore me. But when a superstar says the same thing, it's "food for thought."

Well, I couldn't agree more. It gave me a lot to think about - and write about.

What Frankie Martinez said in his interview is very clear - he cares about salsa's roots, feels nostalgia for the 1960s/70s, etc. Most people don't give a rat's ass about salsa's roots, so FM's statement really caught my attention. I think it's cool.

FM doesn't give us 10,000 specifics, and I don't think it's a crime for mature adults to try and fill in the blanks with a few intelligent guesses.

For example, any intelligent person might guess FM might be a little political and/or he might appreciate my comments about combining dance and sign language. If he's apolitical and thinks sign language is the Mark of the Beast, big deal. I'm not writing a scientific thesis. Some dances flop, and some articles flop; that's life.

FM is also welcome to write an article condemning me and everything I believe in. It's called free speech.

What I wrote in my article is equally clear. I like Frankie Martinez' views, which seem to largely correspond to my views. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who'd like their superstars to suck up to commercialization and pretend the contemporary salsa scene is too cool to criticize.

But not everyone agrees. Viva la difference.
 
the article is ok..not that much food for thought for me..just the normal things..

salsabear- you forced too much
 
As I understand it, salsa dura - literally "hard salsa" - refers to the style of salsa music that was popular during the 1960's and 1970's; it's what people might call classic salsa.
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They may be more correct, IF they called it old school mambo !. And, this word " classic ", is so bandied about, its starting to lose its significance..

To my mind, "classic ", refers to specific songs, NOT a genre; they dont necessarily need to be Dura, but ones that have stood the test of time.
 
The fall edition of the Salsa Mag International magazine includes a very detailed and very interesting interview with Frankie. There is LOTS of food for thought here as Frankie is discussing a variety of topics, from his personal relationship to music and dance, to musicality, the evolution of salsa, salsa as an art form, congresses, and many other things in-between.

I dare say that every SF member will find something interesting in this interview. :) I would be interested in hearing people's thoughts.

www.salsamag.net/2012/fall/
(Starting on page 46)
Great article, I think Frankie is a normal mature artist.

He also has a great PR person. This video interview came out within a couple months of the article:
 
Thanks for posting the article, Sabrosura, it´s really food for thought..

One thing I found very interesting, is that Frankie Martinez was influenced by west-african dancers. And I think you can see it in his dancing too.

/watch?v=GKewPnkXUW0

/watch?v=uX6js7954Eg (watch from 3:04)
(youtube links, somehow I coudn´t post them in a different form)

Am I the only one who sees a lot of common elements? I´ve seen some live performances and private videos of west and central african dancing that would make it more obvious, but this video was the closest I could find on youtube.

I liked what he said about how Salsa looses its essence once its starts being "only physical dancing" and the connection to its cultural and political roots and/or the the special feeling that comes with it is lost. At least that is what I read out of it.
 
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