For you this can be danced as salsa?

twoleftfeetdancer said:
Lots of instructors promote Cuban salsa classes with this genre of music. Do you think that's right? As a Latina, I have difficulty recognizing this genre as salsa.

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With all due respect to being latina, this is a specifically Afro-Cuban thing. Igpo to be specific. If your not bout that you aren't welcome to dance abakua.
Also you wouldn't dance salsa to this. But. If. A Cuban heard this rhythm they would put one styling intontheir salsa. A lot tof cuban styling has abakua affectations.
 
1derpalm said:
If they knew anything about abakua they WOULDN'T and would k ow they SHOULDN'T be promoting it.
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That's an old school attitude that is since outdated. Just like refraining from teaching Women or anyone who is non-Cuban. Yeah, the hard core Abakualeros, adhere to the secret society tradition. But some of them also charge money to be indoctrinated, which is also a no-no. So, in 2024, no one's going to call a cop if the traditions get ignored. It's been happening for decades now.
 
twoleftfeetdancer said:
Lots of instructors promote Cuban salsa classes with this genre of music. Do you think that's right? As a Latina, I have difficulty recognizing this genre as salsa.

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What city or country are you in that instructs Cuban Salsa using Yoruba Andabo? That's like offering folkloric Rumba instruction using music by Los Pleneros de la 21.

The instructors are Cuban?
 
Richie Blondet said:
What city or country are you in that instructs Cuban Salsa using Yoruba Andabo? That's like offering folkloric Rumba instruction using music by Los Pleneros de la 21.

The instructors are Cuban?
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I’m not sure where they are from :(

I saw it on social media and thought it was interesting. So, the point of those instructors is to add Afro-Cuban elements to Salsa dance, right?
 
Richie Blondet said:
That's an old school attitude that is since outdated. Just like refraining from teaching Women or anyone who is non-Cuban. Yeah, the hard core Abakualeros, adhere to the secret society tradition. But some of them also charge money to be indoctrinated, which is also a no-no. So, in 2024, no one's going to call a cop if the traditions get ignored. It's been happening for decades now.
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My Cuban buddy specifically told me not to do many abakua settings when dancing in Havana. With all do respect to anyone internationally, those are the opinions I'm listening to. The ones within that culture specifically.
 
1derpalm said:
My Cuban buddy specifically told me not to do many abakua settings when dancing in Havana. With all do respect to anyone internationally, those are the opinions I'm listening to. The ones within that culture specifically.
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I'm not telling you what to do. I'm clarifying that those rules are sus nowadays, and have been for quite some time. If you want to gate keep their religion that's your prerogative.
 
The intro is Guaguancó, then Abakuá, the outro is Columbia. No, you do not dance Salsa or Casino to this music.
In Abakuá you dance to what you are told or asked in it's own language (Bricamo). Every move means something. And yes, Abakuá do get offended if you ridiculize their tradition. I don't know any Abakuá who does not get upset when he sees a woman dancing Abakuá. Sikán was killed and her skin was used to make drums after ahe revealed the secret.
 
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1derpalm said:
With all due respect to being latina, this is a specifically Afro-Cuban thing. Igpo to be specific. If your not bout that you aren't welcome to dance abakua.
Also you wouldn't dance salsa to this. But. If. A Cuban heard this rhythm they would put one styling intontheir salsa. A lot tof cuban styling has abakua affectations.
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Sure, but this is not salsa and we could learn something using this music, but it's hard for me to get into salsa with this genre of music.
 
1derpalm said:
My Cuban buddy specifically told me not to do many abakua settings when dancing in Havana. With all do respect to anyone internationally, those are the opinions I'm listening to. The ones within that culture specifically.
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Exactly, this is something more cultural. It's like adding the Venezuelan drum style to salsa. Some movements can be used but I don't think you can dance salsa listening to that musical genre.
 
twoleftfeetdancer said:
Exactly, this is something more cultural. It's like adding the Venezuelan drum style to salsa. Some movements can be used but I don't think you can dance salsa listening to that musical genre.
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No. It is a fraternal out group of a specific African group. Quasi liturgical.
 
Humpa said:
The intro is Guaguancó, then Abakuá, the outro is Columbia. No, you do not dance Salsa or Casino to this music.
In Abakuá you dance to what you are told or asked in it's own language (Bricamo). Every move means something. And yes, Abakuá do get offended if you ridiculize their tradition. I don't know any Abakuá who does not get upset when he sees a woman dancing Abakuá. Sikán was killed and her skin was used to make drums after ahe revealed the secret.
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Sikanekue never even existed and is a "legend" that is passed down as the birth of a misogynistic All-Male Afro-Cubab secret society, in order to deter Women from perneating their circle. They have NEVER had any luck with that. MEN have been the big mouths in passing down the Abakua tradition in exchange for power, ego and other misogynistic desires. Like sex.

Don't forget $$$.
 
Humpa said:
I will not defend Abakuá and I definitely do not share their values. But this is core to Abakuá.
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I understand. I'm merely pointing out that, like all organized religions or secret societies, you have a segment thst is 100% devout and adhere.to their codes, rules, laws, what have you. Then you have another segment, like the televangelists, who exploit the working class for personal gain. Or use the tradition to 'sell' it as if it were furniture.
 
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