Experiences learning Salsa on2 with Eddie Torres

Hmm... I saw Eddie Torres in the New York Salsa Congress 2005 in a workshop. That was the time he took the workshop 4 hours continuously and that guy has an amazing energy on stage. Something which many people cant imitate. when he is teaching you the dance he is like a father figure who helps you not only to walk at the same time pushes you when it is needed the most.

My first class was on Thursday, but it happened to be Maria Torres (Eddie's wife). Maria is very funny and she makes the whole dance experience light and pretty much enjoyable. I was comfortable till the shines part. Once the turn pattern came into picture I kind of lost the rhythm just because my leads were all on1.

So after that first class there was a gap of a weekend.. and i started practicing something like this. 245 pause 678 pause (instead of 123 and 567 difference was I was moving back on 2). Phew now I thought all I wanted was to identify the 2nd beat and start dancing and i will fit into the on2 style without trouble..

Well I had to wait till Mondy 7:30 to figure that it was all wrong. Eddie starts off his classes with warmups. He introduces a new shines pattern for the class and then he combines it with the previous ones. That way I didnt have much trouble doing the shines.

But once the turn pattern started all my reality is shattered. I cant dance any more phew first of all getting the hand co-ordination to your leg movement felt so weird.. weird enough.

The following were my observations
1. the pauses sound really long it is not as quick as the ones you do on1.
2. The leads are quite laid back compared to the foot movements which are quick.

So as an on1 dancer when i was dancing all alone i was perfectly doing shines on2 without troubles. but the moment i got into the partner dancing I could feel the tensions, push, pull lacking. The leads on2 are much different than the leads on1.

1. Resist the temptations to step forward on 1 instead step back. If you get this right within an hour you will be moving to the music on2.

2. You need a lot of practice time compared to the average dancer learning on2. just because you have to unlearn the on1 habits.

3. To learn the leads on2 first you have to get the leads right without moving your feet. Get your hands comfortable first then integrate it with your leg movements. when you are learning the leads it is important on what count the hand throw happens, push is done, pull is done. Trust me it is a different ball game all together.

For that I need to get a lot of practice time. And in NYC nothing comes for free. Where ever you go you have to pay. So my salsa dancing is limited to the number of dollars that I have in my packet. Call it too much commercialization of a dance. Sometimes I wish it should be just like in Bangalore India, where you use to dance 3 or 4 times in a week (As of now it is still in the promotional stage so lots of free entries).

Any way thats my crib. Meanwhile, during my stay here in NY let me make the best use of resource available to learn dancing on2.

Pramodh
 
I think you getting a pretty good idea of the fundamentals of ON2. Continuously practicing is the key.

When I started I could not even think it was going to be possible for me to forget my on1 impulses. however after a couple of weeks of daily practice I was able to do it almost without thinking.

( I actually had trouble dancing on1 after that -- however after some 10 mimutes doing it, I was back again dancing on1 just like before, and the next day I was again having problems doing it On2, so now i am trying to stay way from ON1 as much as I can.

Being able to forget about where your body, and feet should move to, is key to start focusing on style, technique and expression.
 
No PAUSE

Don't let the PAUSE fool you.

The PAUSE in "on2 dancing" is not really a pause or stillnes in motion. The pause is more evident in dancing on1.

The PAUSE TECHNIQUE is a teacher's tool to help students become aware of the actual form of the dance.

The characteristic of on2 dancing has an ON THE GO or ALWAYS MOVING feel.

The "pausing" will dissapear when you practice more.
 
Re: No PAUSE

irmaxsalsa said:
The PAUSE in "on2 dancing" is not really a pause or stillnes in motion. The pause is more evident in dancing on1.

The characteristic of on2 dancing has an ON THE GO or ALWAYS MOVING feel.

Right ON ... this is very important, very key to realize in ON2.
 
I took both Eddie's and then Marie's classes yesterday. It was Maria's birthday and they had cake and a celebration after the first class. Eddie did a special birthday dance with Maria, which was really cool. The thing I always notice about Eddie's class is that there are so many people from all over the world there.

Took some classes with Frankie as well.

When in NYC, I recommend taking classes from various teachers. Eddie is always the king. Other teachers emphasize different things or have different styles. For instance, Frankie is smooth and his lead is suggestive. Santo Rico and Piel Canela teach a more definitive lead. Santo Rico gives you multiple turn after turn. One style might suit you better than another, or you can take elements from each that you like.
 
I wasnt there for the Dance - but i heard about it - I guess most people on this forum are taking classes with Eddie and Maria...LOL

Im sure we'll run into each other soon,
Vincent
 
pramodh said:
So after that first class there was a gap of a weekend.. and i started practicing something like this. 245 pause 678 pause

245 makes no sense to me? even if you were dancing Power On2


The following were my observations
1. the pauses sound really long it is not as quick as the ones you do on1.

[this was covered in another thread ... On2 is continuous. don't move to the music, let the music move you ... feel the music ... the tumboa will move you ... you don't have to race cause the emphases is not on the first beat/downbeat]


2. The leads are quite laid back compared to the foot movements which are quick.

[??? Not sure what you mean. The leads depend on the leader. For instance, Frankie Martinez has a suggestive lead whereas Santo Rico has a more definitive lead]

And in NYC nothing comes for free. Where ever you go you have to pay. So my salsa dancing is limited to the number of dollars that I have in my packet. Call it too much commercialization of a dance. Sometimes I wish it should be just like in Bangalore India, where you use to dance 3 or 4 times in a week (As of now it is still in the promotional stage so lots of free entries).


[Meet some people from class or somewhere. You people can meet up at someone's house or where ever and practice. It's just dancing ... its not that complicated]
 
Re: No PAUSE

PielCanela said:
irmaxsalsa said:
The PAUSE in "on2 dancing" is not really a pause or stillnes in motion. The pause is more evident in dancing on1.

The characteristic of on2 dancing has an ON THE GO or ALWAYS MOVING feel.

Right ON ... this is very important, very key to realize in ON2.

Regardless of whether you're dancing On 1 or On 2, there should be no pause if you're dancing cross-body. In either timing, you dance quick-quick-slow, quick-quick-slow.
 
I never understood the fuss about on1 / on2; whenever you start leading, you're still doing the same thing... dancing on2 brought nothing to my lead, style, or enjoyment i get from dancing.
 
True on2

In my experience, the Quick-Quick-Slow teaching method veers on2 beginner students into dancing on1.

Sometimes I use it for students who literally have two left feet, but other than that, it's either you are on tempo or you are not when dancing on2.
 
Arc said:
I never understood the fuss about on1 / on2; whenever you start leading, you're still doing the same thing... dancing on2 brought nothing to my lead, style, or enjoyment i get from dancing.

I don't know what level your dancing is at. NY On2 is like any other cultural product of NYC ... be it rap or break dancin or whatever ... there is definately a NY style ... however, with foreign travel to NYC, instructional DVDs, the advent of the internet, Congresses, etc., there is more opportunity for people in other places to incorporate styles from other places into the way they dance ... be it L.A. On1, Cuban or whatever. It used to be easier to see someone dance and tell where they learned or are from, but people use many methods now to learn how things are done and immitate so in certain places the style may incorporate facets from various places. As far a difference between NY On2 and LA On1, for example, it's as different as listening to different styles of rap or any other regional product. Perhaps Tango is the same way? If you're happy with what you do, keep on doing it. I think more people are talking about NY On2 because its growing worldwide amongst social dancers that have actually taken classes. Also, many, not all, but many of the world renown dancers that started On1 switched to NY On2 once they understood it and felt the music. Perhaps, there are dancers that have gone from NY On2 to On1 I'm just not aware of them?
 
Re: True on2

irmaxsalsa said:
In my experience, the Quick-Quick-Slow teaching method veers on2 beginner students into dancing on1.

Sometimes I use it for students who literally have two left feet, but other than that, it's either you are on tempo or you are not when dancing on2.

Hey man, I checked out your site and the practice videos ... good stuff.
 
Arc said:
I never understood the fuss about on1 / on2; whenever you start leading, you're still doing the same thing... dancing on2 brought nothing to my lead, style, or enjoyment i get from dancing.
sorry to hear that :P no really, i hope every salsa dancer can discover the difference someday cos it rocks my world :)
 
A quick update...

Now I am back in India (Bangalore)

Now I have a new problem.. How do I switch back to on1.. ???? Most of the time I start on1 and then end up dancing to on2.

And I am finding it hard to do shines on1.. hehehehe

Regards
 
africana said:
Arc said:
I never understood the fuss about on1 / on2; whenever you start leading, you're still doing the same thing... dancing on2 brought nothing to my lead, style, or enjoyment i get from dancing.
sorry to hear that :P no really, i hope every salsa dancer can discover the difference someday cos it rocks my world :)

I think it all depends on personal taste, in my case once i tried on2 and got over the initial difficulties, I could never imaging dancing any another way. the flow of the body the lack of stops and skill, fits the expections i have for my dancing. But I am sure other people are delighted with the highlights of ON1 or the exuberance of the Cuban style
 
PielCanela said:
africana said:
Arc said:
I never understood the fuss about on1 / on2; whenever you start leading, you're still doing the same thing... dancing on2 brought nothing to my lead, style, or enjoyment i get from dancing.
sorry to hear that :P no really, i hope every salsa dancer can discover the difference someday cos it rocks my world :)

I think it all depends on personal taste, in my case once i tried on2 and got over the initial difficulties, I could never imaging dancing any another way. the flow of the body the lack of stops and skill, fits the expections i have for my dancing. But I am sure other people are delighted with the highlights of ON1 or the exuberance of the Cuban style
To me it's about the music... some salsa songs have strong accents on the 1 beat, and dancing on1 hits them nicely. Doing a "kapow" on the 6 just doesn't feel right with those songs :lol:. So I have "on1 please" songs, "got to be on2" songs (mainly mambo) and "whichever you prefer" songs. And of course, many Cuban songs make me want to dance Cuban style.
 
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