El Noro's solo offerings :)

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So El Noro is apparently doing his own CD with all his own songs. This is his first single. I just cracked up when I saw the shirtless thing at the beginning. I'm sorry, but when you actually know someone, it's hard to take them seriously when they are doing the sex symbol thing. He's always been into ties though.

youtube.com/watch?v=3hsrhyKoZAY
 
And from some sort of hardcore timbaton or whatever that song should be classified as to
El Noro in a momento más romantico :)
youtube.com/watch?v=mC1xqeOMA20
 
tocatimba said:
I wouldn't have thought that either one of these songs would have been to your taste. No?
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Nope. They are not. The first one is a bit too...can't say exactly reggaeton, but you know what I mean and the second too sappy :) I don't think I'm part of El Noro's target group. I suspect he's aiming for the teenage through twenties Cuban girls :)
 
I don't really have an opinion of him, except to me he's always been a singer of Esto Esta which is an amazing song. Which other SM songs did he sing? And did Manolito have any own songs for him? Soy una bomba is the only one? Can't remember.

Anyways respect to El Noro for finding himself with Pupy (and Manolito of course). What comes to his solo projects - let's hope he sticks to Timba Pura and not any of that nonsence like in the first link :p
 
ville said:
I don't really have an opinion of him, except to me he's always been a singer of Esto Esta which is an amazing song. Which other SM songs did he sing? And did Manolito have any own songs for him? Soy una bomba is the only one? Can't remember.

Anyways respect to El Noro for finding himself with Pupy (and Manolito of course). What comes to his solo projects - let's hope he sticks to Timba Pura and not any of that nonsence like in the first link :p
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El Noro wasn't on the first album of course, that was Lester Ciarreta, but he did it on the Live de la Casa de la Música CD and is also in the YouTube video. I think he did a great job. He sang lead on lots of the SM stuff such as: La Masa, Recoge y Vete, Esto Está, he sang Adivina papá before leaving for Manolito which is why he didn't record it. I would have to go back and listen to some CDs and watch some videos to remember for sure which ones he sang lead on. But that's a few.

I didn't see him with Manolito except for 1 time. It was his second concert with them and so he was only doing some of El Indio's songs. I thought he did a good job, even if no one is El Indio. I don't know if some of the songs that Pepitín is singing were originally intended for El Noro.

I wish him success, and would of course prefer Timba Pura :)
 
Hmm you are right - I have always thought he sang it originally (as in the music video). So I guess now I really have no opinion of him, since that one song is not even originally his. Hmpf
 
timberamayor said:
well La masa is.
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.. which is an amazing song of course :)

It's just the idea when you associate a song to a singer and then you find out it's not even true. Like Michel is not 'charanguero mayor' (not even sure if he sang the first version, but no one can take that away from him anyways).

Too bad Maykel never made a shorter, more suitable version for the dancers from La Masa.
 
Well Charanguero Mayor was written for Michel to sing and he sang it first, but he left before the CD was recorded. And to replace him Calzado used 4 voices!

Of course Tirso wrote the song so one could argue that it is his song.
 
Did Tirso write that song? My knowledge is really bad. Yeah in the album there are many voices singing that song, so Michel is not singing in any of the parts? I have always tried to listen who are the singers and actually I haven't been able to tell if Michel is really singing, Tirso is that I can say. Another piece of the puzzle falls into place..

Charanguero Mayor is really tough to deal with, since Tirso and Michel are both frigging awesome and even though Tirso is probably numero uno in my papers, Michel is still the voice of Charanguero Mayor :)

I was also about to add, that it doesn't really take anything away from a singer if the song was not sang first by you. All respect to the singers equally :)
 
Yeah, Charanguero Mayor was one of the "charanguerra" songs when most of the band left after the Suspension Concert and formed Charanga Forever. Danny Lozada and Juan Carlos Gonzalez had already left to form Danny Lozada y su Timba Cubana.

Tirso wrote and arranged the song. Michel sang it first as in the video at YouTube, but he left (was kicked out?) before the CD was recorded. Then Tirso did it himself on his solo album.

I think normally a song gets associated with a particular singer, even if more than one person sings it over the years. It's hard to take over songs that already have been "stamped" by someone else. that's what happened to Mayito Rivera when he joined Van van and started singing the songs that Mayito El Flaco had sung. People didn't like him at all until Formell gave him his own song "Qué sorpresa". Once he had his own song people started liking him.
 
You wouldn't have any idea how to get an mp3 version of Charanguero Mayor with Michel on vocals?

And totally agree on your post above. I am anxiously waiting if Mandy sings Agua with LVV in few weeks :)
 
I think El Noro found his rightful place with Pupy y LQSS - he stars in many of their recent hits.
My preference goes to him singing Timba and not Reggaeton as well.

As for a singer "stamping" a song, this is quite true;
Think of the following fact - we (non Latinos) are so used to having vocal emphasis in music that we automatically start looking for it whenever we hear a piece.
If you take a well known song and ask 100 people in a salsa club "who's song is this?", most will name the singer (accept in the case of instrumental tracks, like the work of Tito Puente) and not other musicians.

How do most people recognize Van Van?
Through Mayito and Roberton.
Unless Formel's name appeared in the track name, most people wouldn't have know who the man is.
Same goes for Adalberto, Pupy and others.
 
I have agree and disagree to the post above. Yes it is easier to recognize a song through the singer, but the more you listen to timba, the more you recognize the song by it's style.

Formell, Manolito, Pupy, Limonta, Calzado, Valdez, Blanco.. etc. they all have their own unique style of making music. I notice that it is rather easy for me to recognize a song by Formell, despite who the singer is. In the older songs you can always hear if Pupy is playing the piano. It always depends on the song, but usually each song has it's trademark - for my ear atleast.

Same goes for Bamboleo, especially with the trumpets. 5 seconds and you know it's Bamboleo. Of course here, especially in the older songs, I can't tell if the song is made by Limonta or Lazarito. But you can hear it's Bamboleo for sure. Azucar Negra and Limonta together are maybe a little bit harder, Calzado is way too easy. I don't even know CH singers but I can spot a CH song like that. I bet everyone can. Manolito, Maikel Blanco, Reve - same thing. Well especially Reve, but this is because of his changui influence I would say..

Maybe the only one whose style I can't recognize easily (from the great ones) is Adalberto. Solo artists are little bit different, but even Paulito - even though he sings - has his own style in his songs.

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Now I'm not saying I can spot every single song - that's impossible :) Yes it is easier to recognize the song through the singer, but sometimes you don't need to hear who is singing .
 
ville said:
I have agree and disagree to the post above. Yes it is easier to recognize a song through the singer, but the more you listen to timba, the more you recognize the song by it's style.

Formell, Manolito, Pupy, Limonta, Calzado, Valdez, Blanco.. etc. they all have their own unique style of making music. I notice that it is rather easy for me to recognize a song by Formell, despite who the singer is. In the older songs you can always hear if Pupy is playing the piano. It always depends on the song, but usually each song has it's trademark - for my ear atleast.

Same goes for Bamboleo, especially with the trumpets. 5 seconds and you know it's Bamboleo. Of course here, especially in the older songs, I can't tell if the song is made by Limonta or Lazarito. But you can hear it's Bamboleo for sure. Azucar Negra and Limonta together are maybe a little bit harder, Calzado is way too easy. I don't even know CH singers but I can spot a CH song like that. I bet everyone can. Manolito, Maikel Blanco, Reve - same thing. Well especially Reve, but this is because of his changui influence I would say..

Maybe the only one whose style I can't recognize easily (from the great ones) is Adalberto. Solo artists are little bit different, but even Paulito - even though he sings - has his own style in his songs.

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Now I'm not saying I can spot every single song - that's impossible :) Yes it is easier to recognize the song through the singer, but sometimes you don't need to hear who is singing .
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I totally I agree on that.
My main point was that to start recognizing style (which I too do rather easily most of the time now) you have to listen to A LOT of Timba.
But until ones does so, most will recognize a band by the vocals.

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That's because they were the same band back then :)
 
I know they were in the same band. What I meant to say was I couldn't tell that 'con un canto en el pecho' is made by Limonta or 'ya no hace falta' made by Lazarito (not sure about that anyways), but I expect they are, since Limonta took his song with him. Never the less, both of the songs are from the era when the guys were in Bamboleo together.

Anyways I am not a composer or not even a musical person, I just listen to timba alot.
 
el_Che said:
How do most people recognize Van Van?
Through Mayito and Roberton.
Unless Formel's name appeared in the track name, most people wouldn't have know who the man is.
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I liked Changuito for many years before LVV even registered to me. Seems strange now, but I blanked out much of the band while listening to the drums. :)

The rest of your argument seems similar to movies. Most people care about main actors, but people who go deeper care about who makes the movie, since that's much better predictor for satisfaction. In music these are composers/arrangers.
 
ville said:
I know they were in the same band. What I meant to say was I couldn't tell that 'con un canto en el pecho' is made by Limonta or 'ya no hace falta' made by Lazarito (not sure about that anyways), but I expect they are, since Limonta took his song with him. Never the less, both of the songs are from the era when the guys were in Bamboleo together.

Anyways I am not a composer or not even a musical person, I just listen to timba alot.
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In the case of Limonta and Lazarito, Limonta wrote the lyrics but not the arrangements (other than having the melody line of the lyrics). So the arrangements from Bamboleo are all Lazaritos in terms of recognizing songs by the musical sello versus the singer.
 
Smejmoon said:
I liked Changuito for many years before LVV even registered to me. Seems strange now, but I blanked out much of the band while listening to the drums. :)

The rest of your argument seems similar to movies. Most people care about main actors, but people who go deeper care about who makes the movie, since that's much better predictor for satisfaction. In music these are composers/arrangers.
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Pretty much everyone I hang out with knows the names of the various musicians in the band as well as having some idea of who composed/arranged the various songs. But we may not be normal :)
 
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