Eddie Torres weight-gain

To side track the conversation, most or all of the ET dancers were drawn from among the best dancers in NYC. It isn't that they became top dancers after they joined his temp. ET often used to spotted people with better dancing skills/talents and invite them to his team.

That is what my understanding was based on what I read back in the day and interacting with some of his dancers from the 90s.

I found the performance used in the doc at least from 1987. Some of the dancers were really not at all trained and they had to learn how to dance the Mambo in a very short period of time, so as far as Latin dancers go, these were definitely not the best as ET had to train them all himself from the basics. You can see for yourself just how raw some of them are. I daresay if you or I or many of us were there, we'd have gotten top billing :rofl:

 
I found the performance used in the doc at least from 1987. Some of the dancers were really not at all trained and they had to learn how to dance the Mambo in a very short period of time, so as far as Latin dancers go, these were definitely not the best as ET had to train them all himself from the basics. You can see for yourself just how raw some of them are. I daresay if you or I or many of us were there, we'd have gotten top billing :rofl:


are you talking about starting 3:30 in the clip?

From I heard, mambo was an underground scene in 80s and not that popular like salsa in the 90s. It is in early to mid nineties that the scene exploded big time.
 
Depends what we mean by fitness. If we're talking about cardiovascular fitness, salsa is great for that (at least for follows). As for strength, salsa, like most dancing does help strengthen muscles in the legs, but obviously not others, so some kind of upper body strength training is needed in addition.
That's what lifts are for :cool:
 
Later in life, I've gotten much better results from intermittent fasting and a low-carb / high fat diet. This has worked wonders for my appearance and general well being. It's definitely "healthy" but not necessarily "fit". I still exercise to stay "fit", but my diet helps me to stay "healthy". Unfortunately, I think people rely too much on exercise alone, so they might be "fit", but not necessarily "healthy" due to their diet.

... and as someone who lived in NYC, that East Coast food is delicious, but it's definitely the opposite of a low-carb diet. When I'm in Europe/Asia, I tend to lose weight even though I feel like I'm eating more.

Still, intermittent fasting + low carb/high-fat diet is really good for maintaining weight and body composition (and it's healthy to boot).
 
To put things clearly:

1) It's all about the calories; there is no "magic" here.
If you are a "80kg person" and your net calories is such of a "100kg person" - you will eventually end up weighing 100kg. Keep those habits, and you will stay there.

2) Physical activity is good, but we very often compensate (or even overcompensate) by eating more, or by reducing other physical activities (such as: Walking around in circles when talking on the phone, using hand gestures, choosing to take the stairs instead of the elevator) - so in the end, food-intake regulation is the key anyways.
 
Later in life, I've gotten much better results from intermittent fasting and a low-carb / high fat diet. This has worked wonders for my appearance and general well being. It's definitely "healthy" but not necessarily "fit". I still exercise to stay "fit", but my diet helps me to stay "healthy". Unfortunately, I think people rely too much on exercise alone, so they might be "fit", but not necessarily "healthy" due to their diet.

... and as someone who lived in NYC, that East Coast food is delicious, but it's definitely the opposite of a low-carb diet. When I'm in Europe/Asia, I tend to lose weight even though I feel like I'm eating more.

Still, intermittent fasting + low carb/high-fat diet is really good for maintaining weight and body composition (and it's healthy to boot).
Ironically I did better on medium fat lower protein higher carb diet. Whenever I went protein heavy I got bloaty and... blocked and didnt lose weight. I would switch my macros and it would do better. No muscle or strength loss and my arms filled my shirts well.
 
Ironically I did better on medium fat lower protein higher carb diet. Whenever I went protein heavy I got bloaty and... blocked and didnt lose weight. I would switch my macros and it would do better. No muscle or strength loss and my arms filled my shirts well.


Most of the advise that fats are bad is all wrong and rubbish. Nothing is bad in right quantities. Everything is a good if taken in right proportion. Simply avoid overdoing things.


To put things clearly:

1) It's all about the calories; there is no "magic" here.
If you are a "80kg person" and your net calories is such of a "100kg person" - you will eventually end up weighing 100kg. Keep those habits, and you will stay there.

2) Physical activity is good, but we very often compensate (or even overcompensate) by eating more, or by reducing other physical activities (such as: Walking around in circles when talking on the phone, using hand gestures, choosing to take the stairs instead of the elevator) - so in the end, food-intake regulation is the key anyways.

The metabolism is very complex. You could do all right things and still gains weight. So there are exceptions.

There was an interesting research done on how the industrialized food has changed the bio enyzme in the guts. Most of that change has happened in the past 80 years. This one scientists traveled to Africa and in 6-7 weeks changed his bio-enyzme to match those of non-industrial food eating societies. I think he made a specimen out of himself for the experiment. Went and stayed among masais. How he actually changed the composition of his own gut bacteria is pretty interesting.

There was another natural experiment or observation. Some of the modern diseases like heart disease and diabetes are unknown is some of the secluded primitive societies. When one such society changed its diet, they started started showing the same disease pattern as the industrialized societies within two generations.

If you look at any processed food's nutritional label and ingredients - in addition to a host of chemicals, you will find excess amount of sodium (salt) and sugar. Far more than what is required in a single portion.

As people have stopped eating fresh home made food and increased intake of processed food, all kinds of diseases have grown. So we are in endless loop of unhealthy choices causing epidemic and then pharma responding to it with another set of chemicals.
 
The metabolism is very complex. You could do all right things and still gains weight. So there are exceptions.

This. I am in the opposite camp - whatever quantities of food I eat, I will not put on any additional weight. I've always been like that. Father was the same. Probably no one in my entire ancestry line was obese.

I have friends who constantly yo-yo and change weight dramatically and it seems all it takes is just a little bit more food to put them over the edge.
 
I am in the opposite camp - whatever quantities of food I eat, I will not put on any additional weight. I've always been like that. Father was the same. Probably no one in my entire ancestry line was obese.

There is another side of this, for those with Asian ancestry (not sure if it's your case) they can be "skinny" but have the dangerous kind of abdominal fat that actually puts them at the same risk of obesity-associated effects (diabetes/hypertension) as a non-Asian person of higher weight. It's why the BMI cutoff for overweight/obesity is actually recommended to be lower for Asians. E.g. there are a lot of Indians who have diabetes despite being thin.
 
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1) It's all about the calories; there is no "magic" here.

This is true when you're talking about the bulk of the calories. But metabolism plays a big part and individual and genetic differences can sink this "truism" pretty fast.

For example, I had a gorgeous model girlfriend in my 20s, she literally ate 4-5 times as much as I did and never gained weight. If I even so much as glanced at cake, I'd put on 5 more pounds. (and to this day, she still hasn't gained more weight). But she was also very high-strung so that may be part of it - that was also the reason it didn't work out.

Like Sabrosura pointed out, I also have Chinese friends who rail thin and eat 3-4 times more than I do, just pure genetics.

A couple of things that really helped me get a better body composition:
1. We burn the bulk of our calories the whole day - outside of exercise. The amount of calories I burn during exercise is just a minor percentage, but exercise revs up the metabolism so that I'm burning more calories the rest of the day. That's what worked best for me (and it's different for others).

2. As 1derpalm pointed out, the balance of carbs/protein (macros) is important and it's different for each person. I can eat 3-4 pieces of bread in the morning and just protein all day, that works great for my body chemistry, I'm clear headed and sharp all day. Or I can eat pasta all day and that works too on those days when I need it. But if I mix too many carbs with protein, it slows down my metabolism - then I start feeling sluggish. So it's the mix/macros that are important for me.

3. Intermittent Fasting - this includes stretches of time so your body can process what it has, but also not snacking. What's interesting here, is that I can eat a huge amount of calories during my eating hours, but if I also fast afterwards (12-18 hours) I will actually lose weight and/or fat. On the other hand, if restrict calories, but I graze on this calories all day with no significant fasting, I can actually end up gaining weight! So once again bulk calories are important, but how and when you eat them can also have a big effect.



... on a side note, I once shared an apartment for 1 year with a buddhist monk who put me on his raw food diet, I never felt so alive in my life! My whole body felt like it was singing. But it's really a difficult diet without someone to manage it, and we were also living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, ground zero for the raw food diet movement.
 
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This is true when you're talking about the bulk of the calories. But metabolism plays a big part and individual and genetic differences can sink this "truism" pretty fast.

For example, I had a gorgeous model girlfriend in my 20s, she literally ate 4-5 times as much as I did and never gained weight. If I even so much as glanced at cake, I'd put on 5 more pounds. (and to this day, she still hasn't gained more weight). But she was also very high-strung so that may be part of it - that was also the reason it didn't work out.

Like Sabrosura pointed out, I also have Chinese friends who rail thin and eat 3-4 times more than I do, just pure genetics.

A couple of things that really helped me get a better body composition:
1. We burn the bulk of our calories the whole day - outside of exercise. The amount of calories I burn during exercise is just a minor percentage, but exercise revs up the metabolism so that I'm burning more calories the rest of the day. That's what worked best for me (and it's different for others).

2. As 1derpalm pointed out, the balance of carbs/protein (macros) is important and it's different for each person. I can eat 3-4 pieces of bread in the morning and just protein all day, that works great for my body chemistry, I'm clear headed and sharp all day. Or I can eat pasta all day and that works too on those days when I need it. But if I mix too many carbs with protein, it slows down my metabolism - then I start feeling sluggish. So it's the mix/macros that are important for me.

3. Intermittent Fasting - this includes stretches of time so your body can process what it has, but also not snacking. What's interesting here, is that I can eat a huge amount of calories during my eating hours, but if I also fast afterwards (12-18 hours) I will actually lose weight and/or fat. On the other hand, if restrict calories, but I graze on this calories all day with no significant fasting, I can actually end up gaining weight! So once again bulk calories are important, but how and when you eat them can also have a big effect.



... on a side note, I once shared an apartment for 1 year with a buddhist monk who put me on his raw food diet, I never felt so alive in my life! My whole body felt like it was singing. But it's really a difficult diet without someone to manage it, and we were also living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, ground zero for the raw food diet movement.
Problem with raw food diets are, that some things need to be cooked to be eaten. Somethings need to either br cooked or sprouted. Somethings don't digest well, and blanching kills pathogens. You can get sick eating ALL raw if you arent careful.
I find the Buddhist thing interesting because they have a wealth of delicious cooked food traditions.
 
... on a side note, I once shared an apartment for 1 year with a buddhist monk who put me on his raw food diet, I never felt so alive in my life! My whole body felt like it was singing. But it's really a difficult diet without someone to manage it, and we were also living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, ground zero for the raw food diet movement.

Managing a right kind of diet which is right for you takes a significant amount of time. Not to mention expensive sometimes.

From identifying the right food, to figuring out where to buy it, purchasing the right combination and balance to making the meals at home - the meal planning takes time. It all takes time. It is a full time job if there is a family of three or four. Since covid I have been doing a lot of buying and cooking. I only cook and eat oy one meal a day. But it eats up the same amount of time as I would have spend dancing! I don't cook and store in fridge. I buy small quantities every few few days and prepare only single meal portions.

The most efficient was a sports therapist I met twelve years back. He was ex-navy. He narrated how he had bulked up in weight during his navy days due bad diet choices and got bloated. Afterwards he disciplined his diet. When I met him, he had for the last 15 years been mixing greens and fruits in the blender every morning and bringing that as his lunch. I guess that makes it raw food diet. He would drink his lunch size blends as a meal everyday. He was fit as a fiddle and looked in great shape. I can see the benefits of efficiency and benefits in that approach, but it is too monotonous non varied diet for a foodie like me.
 
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... on a side note, I once shared an apartment for 1 year with a buddhist monk who put me on his raw food diet, I never felt so alive in my life! My whole body felt like it was singing. But it's really a difficult diet without someone to manage it, and we were also living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, ground zero for the raw food diet movement.

What tends to happen with raw/vegan diets is that the person feels great in the beginning because they cut out a lot of junk/processed food, but after a period (which can be months to years), problems related to micronutrient deficiencies usually appear. I have been researching nutrition & health for many years and looked into the raw/vegan long-term effects, and what tends to happen is that after the initial "high", eventually they realize they feel better on a diet that includes animal foods. Of course, this is not highly publicized because the vegan community looks down on and ostracizes the ex-vegans that have the courage to admit they feel better when they start eating animal foods again.

Also, more recently a lot of people are healing from all kinds of chronic diseases (especially autoimmune) with a carnivore diet -- eating nothing but beef and water in the most strict version. The hypothesis is that some people are more sensitive to plants' defensive toxins (which most plants contain, to defend from predators), so avoiding plant foods helps them heal (meat contains no such toxins since animals' defense is running away/fighting). Cooking deactivates some of these toxins, so for people who are sensitive to them, raw plant foods have the worst effect. More on plant toxins and their potential negative effect on our health here if anyone is curious.

If we look at human evolutionary biology, it's very clear that we need animal foods to thrive. Humans evolved the big brain we have in part because of animal foods, and also cooking, which allowed our body to use less energy for digestion and more for brain development. So, a raw vegan diet sounds great in theory (especially when compared to the Standard American Diet/SAD) but is actually quite far from the human species' natural diet.

Just as an example, this paper by a nutritionist argues that plant-based diets "risk worsening brain health nutrient deficiency", such as choline deficiency (choline is essential for brain health, and even more so for pregnant women, and animal foods, especially eggs and liver, are the richest sources of choline).

The book "Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human", by Harvard primatologist Richard Wrangham, is great on this topic.
Summary: "Humans (species in the genus Homo) are the only animals that cook their food, and Wrangham argues Homo erectus emerged about two million years ago as a result of this unique trait. Cooking had profound evolutionary effect because it increased food efficiency, which allowed human ancestors to spend less time foraging, chewing, and digesting. H. erectus developed a smaller, more efficient digestive tract, which freed up energy to enable larger brain growth. Wrangham also argues that cooking and control of fire generally affected species development by providing warmth and helping to fend off predators, which helped human ancestors adapt to a ground-based lifestyle. Wrangham points out that humans are highly evolved for eating cooked food and cannot maintain reproductive fitness with raw food." (PS From this perspective, Buddhist monks of course aren't worried about reproductive fitness :) )

You can do ok on a vegan diet *if* you really track your micronutrients and plan your foods very carefully, but it will never be as health promoting as a diet that includes (minimally processed) meat/fish/eggs/other nutritious animal foods (and ideally also liver or other organs). Also in the case of women, it can be really easy to get iron deficiency anemia on a vegan diet. Iron deficiency is a huge public health problem in third world countries (especially in women and children), where people tend to eat mostly plant-based diets (since meat is expensive). Studies have shown that when they add meat to these children's diet, their physical and mental development greatly improves. Of course, this is not talked about in the "meat is bad" circles.

PS I have a Master's in Nutritional Epidemiology from the Harvard School of Public Health, which is strongly in the "meat is bad" camp, and I have been a member of several carnivore diet groups for a year now, and been learning a lot about the benefits they are seeing -- so I have seen both sides of the meat debate in detail :)
 
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This is true when you're talking about the bulk of the calories. But metabolism plays a big part and individual and genetic differences can sink this "truism" pretty fast.

For example, I had a gorgeous model girlfriend in my 20s, she literally ate 4-5 times as much as I did and never gained weight. If I even so much as glanced at cake, I'd put on 5 more pounds. (and to this day, she still hasn't gained more weight). But she was also very high-strung so that may be part of it - that was also the reason it didn't work out.

Like Sabrosura pointed out, I also have Chinese friends who rail thin and eat 3-4 times more than I do, just pure genetics.

A couple of things that really helped me get a better body composition:
1. We burn the bulk of our calories the whole day - outside of exercise. The amount of calories I burn during exercise is just a minor percentage, but exercise revs up the metabolism so that I'm burning more calories the rest of the day. That's what worked best for me (and it's different for others).

2. As 1derpalm pointed out, the balance of carbs/protein (macros) is important and it's different for each person. I can eat 3-4 pieces of bread in the morning and just protein all day, that works great for my body chemistry, I'm clear headed and sharp all day. Or I can eat pasta all day and that works too on those days when I need it. But if I mix too many carbs with protein, it slows down my metabolism - then I start feeling sluggish. So it's the mix/macros that are important for me.

3. Intermittent Fasting - this includes stretches of time so your body can process what it has, but also not snacking. What's interesting here, is that I can eat a huge amount of calories during my eating hours, but if I also fast afterwards (12-18 hours) I will actually lose weight and/or fat. On the other hand, if restrict calories, but I graze on this calories all day with no significant fasting, I can actually end up gaining weight! So once again bulk calories are important, but how and when you eat them can also have a big effect.



... on a side note, I once shared an apartment for 1 year with a buddhist monk who put me on his raw food diet, I never felt so alive in my life! My whole body felt like it was singing. But it's really a difficult diet without someone to manage it, and we were also living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, ground zero for the raw food diet movement.
It's true that there is *some* degree of variation among humans - I'll eat a banana and that would be 80kcal, you may eat the same one and it would be 78...But unless one suffers from a *serious* illness - variation shouldn't be significant.

People who can eat more and stay lean don't have "special metabolism" - they are just more active: Be it voluntarily (dancing, going fur a walk), or involuntarily ("Having energy" to walk by foot instead of taking the bus, walking around in circles when talking on the phone, having restless legs even when you sit)...

Moreover, you'll be surprised how much you eat if you happen to log *everything* you out into your mouth. A lot of people consume way more calories than they think, or may think they sticking to their diet because they adhere in the weekdays...(but then they compensate in the weekend!)

Lastly, our bodies can learn to become more efficient so one person can burn less calories than another doing the same activity.

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Anyway, it's all about the calories. (not - having "good metabolism", whatever that means).
 
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