Eddie Torres weight-gain

I think I have written about it two years back here. For some reason tomatoes in Europe taste far better than any I have tasted in USA.

I have several times had argument about it with folks in USA. Some refused to admit it and others say their garden tomatoes taste just as good. There is distinctly better taste to tomatoes or may be I am tomatoes super taster :D

The taste of produce also depends on the soil conditions, weather, and other factors.

Have you tried home grown tomatoes in USA? I have and they taste fine. Maybe you like different sorts, than other people?

We have supermarket produce in EU as well, which tastes like water and differs only by color. I'd say in 21st century much of water based produce (like tomatoes/cucumbers/salad) will not have nutrients inside if you opt for wholesale variety. They are not grown in soil, so they can't find nutrients, they don't have time to mature and get filled up with nutrients, they are water with some color and cells around.

What worried me was potatoes and other firm vegetables, which are very transportable.
 
So that's my thinking that part of weight gain comes from such produce. You eat a lot of food, and get macro nutrients inside like carbs, fats, proteins. But micro nutrients are not there, so you are not satisfied and sated. And eat more food, and more carbs than you need. Some people try to solve it by supplements (see free advertisement, Sabs :D). But I don't think it's healthy long term and can substitute diverse and ripe ingredients. At least now and then I try to get them. Like in the season, when they are cheap. Or when I visit relatives in the country.

This is especially important for children who are still developing.
 
So that's my thinking that part of weight gain comes from such produce. You eat a lot of food, and get macro nutrients inside like carbs, fats, proteins. But micro nutrients are not there, so you are not satisfied and sated. And eat more food, and more carbs than you need.

Your thinking has been confirmed by studies :) (side note: an interesting theory of one reason why many women crave chocolate is because cocoa contains iron, and other minerals, and women tend to be low in iron).

And it's not even just micronutrients that drive excessive hunger -- protein, which is an essential macronutrient that many people don't get enough of, is shown in studies to drive calorie consumption until the protein needs are met. That's why protein foods tend to be very satiating.

As for supplements, there are many things to discuss, too many for this forum :) But just a couple of comments:

1) Due to industrial agriculture, nowadays the soils are depleted of some nutrients so even someone with a great diet (which few people have anyway) will find it difficult to get enough of some essential nutrients. Also, some regions' soil and water have naturally lower levels of some nutrients. An example is iodine. Before iodine started being added to salt last century, there were widespread "goiter areas" where due to lack of iodine, people developed goiters (thyroid enlargement). Iodine deficiency is devastating and can lead to retardation in children, among other things. Nowadays people are eating less iodized salt (because fancy un-iodized salts have become popular, like pink salt) so iodine deficiency is increasing again.

Another example is magnesium, which is essential for a lot of body processes and which research shows most people are deficient in, so supplementing magnesium would decrease their chronic disease risk. Magnesium deficiency is especially dangerous for cardiovascular disease risk. "because of chronic diseases, medications, decreases in food crop magnesium contents, and the availability of refined and processed foods, the vast majority of people in modern societies are at risk for magnesium deficiency. Subclinical magnesium deficiency increases the risk of numerous types of cardiovascular disease, costs nations around the world an incalculable amount of healthcare costs and suffering, and should be considered a public health crisis. That an easy, cost-effective strategy exists to prevent and treat subclinical magnesium deficiency should provide an urgent call to action."

Side note: there is unfortunately a lot of ignorance in the medical community when it comes to supplements, or nutrition in general; one example is the fact that many doctors prescribe calcium supplements for bone health/osteoporosis, without realizing that magnesium is also needed for bone health and the extra calcium competes with magnesium absorption.

Another interesting example of a little known mineral is lithium which seems to be very important for mental health. Several studies showed that areas where water contains more lithium have lower suicide rates. Most people don't know whether they are deficient in lithium, and more and more evidence is showing that a small dose of lithium seems to benefit people with depression, anxiety, and ADHD.

Also, some nutrients are concentrated in foods we used to eat but don't anymore, such as liver and organs.

There are many more examples, point being that ideally of course we should get all these nutrients from food, but unfortunately in the modern world that's just wishful thinking for many if not most people.

2) The discussion above was about nutrients that everyone needs, i.e. vitamins and minerals (which in theory we could get from food alone in an ideal world, which is not really the case usually, as discussed above). But there's a whole other group of fascinating supplements which are highly concentrated/purified and that we generally can't get from food. Nootropics fall into this category: these are supplements that enhance mood and cognition/memory. They are used by both healthy people who want to enhance their mental/cognitive health and people with certain issues such as ADHD, for whom nootropics are a great alternative to drugs.

Another example in this category are plant extracts, such as adaptogens. These basically naturally enhance the body's response to stress (they're designed to be taken occasionally when going through stressful periods).

There are many other plant extracts that people have used for centuries for all kinds of health purposes (some people think of supplements as vitamins/minerals but e.g. an herbal tea is essentially also a kind of supplement).

I could go on but I'll stop here :) (won't even go into vit D which the human diet is naturally poor in, so we have to get it from the sun, but at many US and Europe latitudes the sun isn't strong enough to produce vitamin D half the year so unless we stored up enough vit D by spending lots of time in the sun in the summer with minimal clothing, we must supplement vit D in the fall and winter. Plus older people are less efficient at making vit D from sunlight so they need to supplement even more.)
 
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Have you tried home grown tomatoes in USA? I have and they taste fine.

We have supermarket produce in EU as well, which tastes like water and differs only by color.

Of course home grown tomatoes in the US or anywhere will taste great, but the point was that in Europe you can find good produce pretty easily and affordably at markets and even supermarkets, whereas in US you have to go out of your way to find some good ones at expensive organic markets. So I don't blame the average American for not eating the tasteless vegs and even some fruits; watermelon in the US never tastes as sweet as Romanian watermelon, that made me really sad when I lived there as I was used to delicious watermelons every year growing up; same with strawberries and raspberries, I almost gave up on them in the US, at one point I even thought maybe I just lost my ability to detect those tastes lol; it has been wonderful to enjoy tasty strawberries and raspberries in Europe again :) .

PS Since I moved to France I have been trying really hard to find tasteless US-style tomatoes in average supermarkets just to see if they exist, and I have not yet succeeded :)
 
For me, low-quality ingredients, e.g. chicken fried in overcooked rancid oil reused 100 times (because food ingredients are expensive). Cuba's agriculture sector is not particularly productive so a lot of the staples e.g. chicken or frozen meats have to be imported from nearby countries and are of questionable quality (I saw some very sad looking chickens from Brazil in the supermarket that people were fighting over). The bread is of the super-processed ultra-white kind. They don't really eat vegetables, so most of the time "salads" that came with the meat and rice meant a couple lettuce leaves (or tomatoes if you're lucky) with some canned tasteless vegetables. The main traditional food types are pork/beef/chicken with rice and beans. I love beans but somehow even good bean dishes were hard to find.

They are also not big on fruit which was a bit shocking given they produce so much great fruit (most of it gets exported it seems). I would go to the market trying to find fruits and often there was not much fruit to be found. I had better luck with fruit in the Santiago markets than Havana ones. I met a nice market fruit vendor while dancing in Santiago and he would save the best mangoes and guanabanas for me for my next market visit :) They have a particularly delicious mango in Santiago/the Eastern region called mango de bizcochuelo which was to die for!

In the last few years fancier tourist-catering restaurants have opened and some of them have very good food but obviously only because they are for tourists (unaffordable for most Cubans). And they are so overpriced, since tourists can afford them, that it's hard to justify eating there more than once given the price/quality/quantity ratio.

The best food I found was at the Sociedad Asturiana restaurants (a semi-private Spain-linked organization in Cuba). The food there was not only good but also reasonably priced (many Cubans could also afford it) compared to the state or private tourist-targeting restaurants. The downside is there often long lines.

I also had some great food at some of the casas I stayed at (but not always). In general it seems home cooked meals are of better quality than restaurant ones, but they are generally charged at the same price as at the restaurants (Western prices), even though the ingredient cost is generally many times lower (that is, when they can find the ingredients).

Last time I was in Cuba was 2018 (I went to Cuba 10+ times between 2015 and 2018) so maybe things have changed in the meantime.
I lucked out.
I went to a paladar in viñales and and we had mango juice, cuban tamales (fresh corn, not maseca), fried taro, fish, lamb, red beans, avocadoes, boniatos and of course rice and beans.
And thankfully my cases had fresh fruit and coffee for breakfast. In Havana I ate at the 5 points fof breakfast (4.50 for breakfast buffet that was very passable) and a cafeteria on Neptuno and Leander. They had filling Criolla food for 3.50 CuC.
On the whole, yeah the quality can be crap, more so in the hotels. Except Sol Sirenas Coral and Cuatro Palmas. And Belive Varadero. Legit great quality food.
I went in 2019. The markets were still full of veggies on san Rafael (or san miguel. Cant remember). But it went down hill quickly after that. I went home the day or 2 before the hurricane hit.
I am Jealous of @Sabrosura. I didnt brave the markets. I was refused CUP exchange twice and wasnt willing get hosed on fruit. And I had a bad experience with pineapple and other things off the beaten track. 5 minutes after eating a pineapple I got the shivers and a mild fever. And eating a hot dog (from a very busy shop). That one was bad. It was not food poisoning per se but I got a fever, chills and stomach cramps for 5 hours. I think it had to do with not having the gut flora for cuban water.
 
So what's the secret of Peru? It's also very poor country, but food is great there both in expensive and cheap places.

In US you can find really good food on the coasts, if you're willing to pay for it. My guess that obesity epidemics is because cheap/convenient food is not nutritious in the US. + additives that are used there are controversial, some are good, some are bad.
All latinamericans i know who went to Cuba to study complained about the food there. Have not been myself but I don't think the situations of the countries are comparable
 
I have to say that perhaps in cuba tourists may get the shady. My cuban friend the other day made me a bomb split pea soup from an old cubsn cookbook. Its dirt cheap to make but better than anything ive had in cuba (Minus the amazing Viñales meal) with very few ingredients. I think it just do happens that whsy is delicious and available to Cubans isn't to international tastes (until you try). Perhaps that is why they fail spectacularly at certain foods we take for granted. I'm am just speculating so please don't roast me. Judgement is poor as I was sipping Pastis on a zoom call while composing a new song.
 
Your thinking has been confirmed by studies :) (side note: an interesting theory of one reason why many women crave chocolate is because cocoa contains iron, and other minerals, and women tend to be low in iron).

And it's not even just micronutrients that drive excessive hunger -- protein, which is an essential macronutrient that many people don't get enough of, is shown in studies to drive calorie consumption until the protein needs are met. That's why protein foods tend to be very satiating.

As for supplements, there are many things to discuss, too many for this forum :) But just a couple of comments:

1) Due to industrial agriculture, nowadays the soils are depleted of some nutrients so even someone with a great diet (which few people have anyway) will find it difficult to get enough of some essential nutrients. Also, some regions' soil and water have naturally lower levels of some nutrients. An example is iodine. Before iodine started being added to salt last century, there were widespread "goiter areas" where due to lack of iodine, people developed goiters (thyroid enlargement). Iodine deficiency is devastating and can lead to retardation in children, among other things. Nowadays people are eating less iodized salt (because fancy un-iodized salts have become popular, like pink salt) so iodine deficiency is increasing again.

Another example is magnesium, which is essential for a lot of body processes and which research shows most people are deficient in, so supplementing magnesium would decrease their chronic disease risk. Magnesium deficiency is especially dangerous for cardiovascular disease risk. "because of chronic diseases, medications, decreases in food crop magnesium contents, and the availability of refined and processed foods, the vast majority of people in modern societies are at risk for magnesium deficiency. Subclinical magnesium deficiency increases the risk of numerous types of cardiovascular disease, costs nations around the world an incalculable amount of healthcare costs and suffering, and should be considered a public health crisis. That an easy, cost-effective strategy exists to prevent and treat subclinical magnesium deficiency should provide an urgent call to action."

Side note: there is unfortunately a lot of ignorance in the medical community when it comes to supplements, or nutrition in general; one example is the fact that many doctors prescribe calcium supplements for bone health/osteoporosis, without realizing that magnesium is also needed for bone health and the extra calcium competes with magnesium absorption.

Another interesting example of a little known mineral is lithium which seems to be very important for mental health. Several studies showed that areas where water contains more lithium have lower suicide rates. Most people don't know whether they are deficient in lithium, and more and more evidence is showing that a small dose of lithium seems to benefit people with depression, anxiety, and ADHD.

Also, some nutrients are concentrated in foods we used to eat but don't anymore, such as liver and organs.

There are many more examples, point being that ideally of course we should get all these nutrients from food, but unfortunately in the modern world that's just wishful thinking for many if not most people.

2) The discussion above was about nutrients that everyone needs, i.e. vitamins and minerals (which in theory we could get from food alone in an ideal world, which is not really the case usually, as discussed above). But there's a whole other group of fascinating supplements which are highly concentrated/purified and that we generally can't get from food. Nootropics fall into this category: these are supplements that enhance mood and cognition/memory. They are used by both healthy people who want to enhance their mental/cognitive health and people with certain issues such as ADHD, for whom nootropics are a great alternative to drugs.

Another example in this category are plant extracts, such as adaptogens. These basically naturally enhance the body's response to stress (they're designed to be taken occasionally when going through stressful periods).

There are many other plant extracts that people have used for centuries for all kinds of health purposes (some people think of supplements as vitamins/minerals but e.g. an herbal tea is essentially also a kind of supplement).

I could go on but I'll stop here :) (won't even go into vit D which the human diet is naturally poor in, so we have to get it from the sun, but at many US and Europe latitudes the sun isn't strong enough to produce vitamin D half the year so unless we stored up enough vit D by spending lots of time in the sun in the summer with minimal clothing, we must supplement vit D in the fall and winter. Plus older people are less efficient at making vit D from sunlight so they need to supplement even more.)
Thanks, this was just the answer I was looking for. And talking about other ways to gain weight and nutrients:

What is your take on the game meat? Would that be a reasonable alternative? To use as a supplement now and then.
 
Thanks, this was just the answer I was looking for. And talking about other ways to gain weight and nutrients:

What is your take on the game meat? Would that be a reasonable alternative? To use as a supplement now and then.
Only exotic threatened or endangered game meat unless you're a liberal snow flake! The less animals there are, the more concentrated the nutrients are in each animal!
 
Do you cook at home in Cali or eat out? I would try to cook at home there as much as possible, and ingredients are great in the market. But if I go out there to eat, then I would lose weight. I didn't find food that has large portions, is healthy and tasty, and not very expensive.

Almost the whole country is full of places that do cheap, nutritious and tasty lunches. Some places are better than others of course. I do get bored of the food in Cali it's true - I'm not that keen on chicken or beef and I don't eat pork, and those are the 3 common choices here. But fish can be found in restaurants or to cook at home and after over 2 years I finally found someone who sells delicious lamb.

A typical Cali lunch in a restaurant is a very good soup followed by chicken, beef or pork served with rice, beans, plantain and salad. Price is around 8000 pesos - hardly anything if you're from Europe or the US. Unlike in Europe vegetarian options are rare but the servings of meat are smaller than those used in Europe plus they use parts of the animal that generally get binned in Europe e.g. many of the soups are so good because they use stock made from bones and/or offal.
 
plus they use parts of the animal that generally get binned in Europe e.g. many of the soups are so good because they use stock made from bones and/or offal.

I find that to be the case more in the US than Europe (don't know about the UK though). Growing up in Eastern Europe I used to love chicken soup made with giblets (liver, heart, gizzard, neck, which in Romania you can buy separately at regular supermarkets, and they are also often left inside a whole chicken, whereas in the US they are always removed) and also chicken feet (great source of collagen), but these were impossible to find in the US except at some ethnic supermarkets (e.g. I could get chicken feet at Chinese grocery stores). It seems the more "westernized" the society, the less they eat anything other than muscle meat from animals.

During my recent trip to Romania, one of the first things I asked my mom to cook was a stew made of chicken heart and gizzards, followed by a chicken soup made with half a kilo of delicious chicken necks :)

I currently live in Paris and just picked up 200 g of chicken hearts today at a Turkish store :)
 
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I travel to Cali, Colombia.
After 2-3 months there I lose 5 kg. I am eating more meals per day but every meal is well balanced. Junk food is extremely expensive there so we do not buy much. I don't like the candy there, so I might eat one tiny bag of lousy gummies.

Chocolate, cakes, sweets (candies) etc are generally garbage in Cali it's true. Cheap and nasty. However if you go to certain bakeries and cafes you will find pretty good cakes and you can also find decent Colombian chocolate in the supermarkets. Santander is the brand I used to buy then the other day I found a new one - Taek. Also nice. Probably not as good as some of the imported chocolate I can get for a similar price in England but definitely better than almost all British chocolate.
 
During my recent trip to Romania, one of the first things I asked my mom to cook was a stew made of chicken heart and gizzards, followed by a chicken soup made with half a kilo of delicious chicken necks :)

You've been going on about your mum's chicken soup for years now. I think we need a SF meet up at her house.
 
you can also find decent Colombian chocolate in the supermarkets. Santander is the brand I used to buy then the other day I found a new one - Taek. Also nice. Probably not as good as some of the imported chocolate I can get for a similar price in England but definitely better than almost all British chocolate.

Most chocolate in Latin America sucks, their chocolate making expertise is very limited, which is sad since they produce so much great cocoa -- which they sell to chocolate makers in Europe and other places who then sell the chocolate at a much greater profit than cocoa farmers get. Walk into any luxury chocolatier in Paris and you immediately see "single origin" chocolate bars (made by the French chocolatiers) which prominently display the origin of the cocoa in the different types of chocolate they make: Peru, Dominican Rep. etc.

However that seems to be slowly changing, e.g. I am seeing more and more locally produced 'tree to bar ' chocolates made in Latin America. You mentioned Taek, did you mean this Ecuadorian chocolate, Toak? https://toakchocolate.com/
 
I find that to be the case more in the US than Europe (don't know about the UK though).

Yes I should have said in the UK and possibly other parts of Europe. Not to say that offal and bones don't exist in the UK but it's very rare that people bother to use them.
 
5 minutes after eating a pineapple I got the shivers and a mild fever. And eating a hot dog (from a very busy shop). That one was bad. It was not food poisoning per se but I got a fever, chills and stomach cramps for 5 hours. I think it had to do with not having the gut flora for cuban water.

I didn't get any food poisoning in Cuba (I seem to have a very strong stomach, only got food poisoning once in my life, after eating sushi from an Amsterdam airport; despite eating all the street food in every country I visit, including India), but I did get a super-nasty throat infection/tonsillitis on three different trips to Cuba. I'm guessing it was some kind of virus/bacteria over there that I had zero immunity for, but it was strange I kept getting it.

And then what's crazy is that I got it a fourth (and last) time after kissing a Cuban I met at a salsa party in Stockholm a few years ago. @timberamayor remember that :p
 
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You've been going on about your mum's chicken soup for years now. I think we need a SF meet up at her house.

Actually the secret of the soup is that it is made with yard-raised chickens from my grandma's neighbor :) (my grandma is 95 now so she doesn't raise her own chickens anymore -- but she still loves to cook delicious things :) ) So the SF gathering would be better at my grandma's :D
 
Most chocolate in Latin America sucks, their chocolate making expertise is very limited, which is sad since they produce so much great cocoa -- which they sell to chocolate makers in Europe and other places who then sell the chocolate at a much greater profit than cocoa farmers get.

Same with the coffee - good quality is a niche interest in Latin America. At least ime. But it can definitely be found. Plenty of coffee farms save their best produce to sell locally under their own name. With chocolate as I said I have only seen 2 local brands that are widely available and decent, and I'm sure they're out of the price range of the majority of the population. Also they're probably not as good as what I would buy (for around the same price) in England. But my tastes are not that sophisticated e.g. I like Ritter Sport which may well be looked down on by fanatics.

However that seems to be slowly changing, e.g. I am seeing more and more locally produced 'tree to bar ' chocolates made in Latin America. You mentioned Taek, did you mean this Ecuadorian chocolate, Toak? https://toakchocolate.com/

I've seen Ecuadorean chocolate in England - and it was delicious. In Colombia? Never.

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