Could someone describe On2 like The Peach did ET2?
- Thread starter sirenita
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Salsamakossa
Changui
Sirenita,
This will be brief but will give you an idea. ET2 is one version of on2. There is another version called P2 (Power 2), where the man breaks FORWARD on count 6, and backwards on count 2. But unlike ET2 he dances on 678 forward, and 234 backwards. Pause beats are 5 and 1.
Then there is PR2 (Puerto Rican on2) , yet another version of on2. It is similar to P2 but is reversed. ie the man breaks forward on count 2, and backwards on count 6. Pause beats are still 1 and 5.
Hope this helps.
This will be brief but will give you an idea. ET2 is one version of on2. There is another version called P2 (Power 2), where the man breaks FORWARD on count 6, and backwards on count 2. But unlike ET2 he dances on 678 forward, and 234 backwards. Pause beats are 5 and 1.
Then there is PR2 (Puerto Rican on2) , yet another version of on2. It is similar to P2 but is reversed. ie the man breaks forward on count 2, and backwards on count 6. Pause beats are still 1 and 5.
Hope this helps.
sirenita said:
sweavo
Changui
direction is b for back, f for forward, i for in-place, c for closing step.
Capital letters indicate break step.
I hope I got the direction right on Power2!
/edit: changed POW2 to Razz M Tazz timing as per salsamokossa's post
/edit: added Puerto Rican 2 as PR2
Capital letters indicate break step.
Code:
Leader's basic
-ON1------------
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8. <-beat
L r l . R l r . <-foot
F i c . B i c . <-placement
-ET2------------
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8. <-beat
l R l . r L r . <-foot
b B i . f F i . <-placement
-PR2------------ (This is ET2, rotated four beats)
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8. <-beat
r L r . l R l . <-foot
f F i . b B i . <-placement
-POW2----------- Razz M Tazz
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8. <-beat
. R l r . L r l <-foot
. B i c . F i c <-placementI hope I got the direction right on Power2!
/edit: changed POW2 to Razz M Tazz timing as per salsamokossa's post
/edit: added Puerto Rican 2 as PR2
sweavo said:
Once there was a long discussion about P2's direction and it seemed that the final result was that it was not specified: It can be danced either way.
BTW, PR2 (Puerto Rican) is not P2 translated, but ET2 translated by four beats (i.e. lead steps forward on 2 rather than 6).
Salsamakossa
Changui
Sorry mate,
I don't think you did...
I don't think you did...
sweavo said:
Salsamakossa said:
I don't think he was wrong either.
We already had a very very long terminological discussion about this earlier in this forums and the final result seemed that "power2" simply does not specify any direction.
That is, there are two possibilities: sweavo's or the one in which the follow dances that.
Salsamakossa said:
Sometimes I read that PR2 is like P2 (modulo 4 beats) and sometimes I read that PR2 is like ET2 (modulo 4 beats), there is no consensus on the web or so it seems, and I would like to know which statement I should believe, so it would be kind to give the source of your knowledge (and I don't trust Wikipedia on this one).chr said:
Lets go back to origins- Mambo was taught commencing side left on 1-- ( still is in Chain schools ) break back right on 2 ( this is what Eddie bases his format on )
What transpired next- many teachers, dancers, chose to ignore the "prep " step, and broke fwd on 2 .
The beat accent( Break ) from then on , has been debated as to correctness .
As many know, the call and response should be in place if you wish to follow tradition.
Breaking fwd on 2 on the 2nd beat of the 2nd bar, may be correct rhythmically , but would be in contrast to the above .
Now add this to the mix-- many PRs commence side right on 1 tap on2 and break on 3 . ( domin. tend to start mereng and bach. in the same fashion )
What transpired next- many teachers, dancers, chose to ignore the "prep " step, and broke fwd on 2 .
The beat accent( Break ) from then on , has been debated as to correctness .
As many know, the call and response should be in place if you wish to follow tradition.
Breaking fwd on 2 on the 2nd beat of the 2nd bar, may be correct rhythmically , but would be in contrast to the above .
Now add this to the mix-- many PRs commence side right on 1 tap on2 and break on 3 . ( domin. tend to start mereng and bach. in the same fashion )
Salsamakossa
Changui
Alias,
Probably the biggest proponent of Power2 currently is the Razz M Tazz group of Angel Rodriguez from NY. I have a couple of his videos and in the videos, they teach that the break is backwards on count 2 for the leaders, not forward. I also have another video from Eric Freeman where he mentions in his overview of dance styles that you break on count 2 backwards (for the leaders) for Power2 dancing. You might actually find some information about this on the Razz m Tazz website.
Probably the biggest proponent of Power2 currently is the Razz M Tazz group of Angel Rodriguez from NY. I have a couple of his videos and in the videos, they teach that the break is backwards on count 2 for the leaders, not forward. I also have another video from Eric Freeman where he mentions in his overview of dance styles that you break on count 2 backwards (for the leaders) for Power2 dancing. You might actually find some information about this on the Razz m Tazz website.
Alias said:
Salsamakossa
Changui
Chr,
It is a good thing that you said that the result "SEEMED" to be no specific direction... lol. For me, it is clear, but we can of course agree... to disagree.
It is a good thing that you said that the result "SEEMED" to be no specific direction... lol. For me, it is clear, but we can of course agree... to disagree.
chr said:
Ron Obvious
Son
...it seems you are rather disputing the disagreement.
Salsamakossa
Changui
Is that where Manuel is too? lol
sweavo said: