Bounce on 3 or on 5?

Actually, on some classes I attended instructors used reverse crossbody lead name. Nobody used side pass as they were not WCS dancers so they never heard about it. Some also used descriptive name 'a move somewhat similar to enchufla in the cuban salsa' and most didn't use any name

For me, inside turn means turn where the follower starts turning towards me, so it's left turn in regular CBL and right turn in mentioned move on the other side, but maybe I'm wrong
 
vit said:
Actually, on some classes I attended instructors used reverse crossbody lead name. Nobody used side pass as they were not WCS dancers so they never heard about it. Some also used descriptive name 'a move somewhat similar to enchufla in the cuban salsa' and most didn't use any name
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I've also heard people call it a "European Cross Body Lead" (i.e. driving on the wrong side of the road!)

vit said:
For me, inside turn means turn where the follower starts turning towards me, so it's left turn in regular CBL and right turn in mentioned move on the other side, but maybe I'm wrong
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According to the Wikipedia link, you seem to be using the term correctly Vit.
(Presumably, this term was used in respect to other dances before it was used in Salsa).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_dance_moves#Inside_turn
However, I know that there are many Salsa teachers who use the term the same way I do, as mentioned in the same article. (Inside = Left, Outside = Right). "Left Turn" or "Right Turn" would be less ambiguous, I'll admit.
 
vit said:
Actually, on some classes I attended instructors used reverse crossbody lead name. Nobody used side pass as they were not WCS dancers so they never heard about it. Some also used descriptive name 'a move somewhat similar to enchufla in the cuban salsa' and most didn't use any name

For me, inside turn means turn where the follower starts turning towards me, so it's left turn in regular CBL and right turn in mentioned move on the other side, but maybe I'm wrong
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vit said:
Actually, on some classes I attended instructors used reverse crossbody lead name. Nobody used side pass as they were not WCS dancers so they never heard about it. Some also used descriptive name 'a move somewhat similar to enchufla in the cuban salsa' and most didn't use any name

For me, inside turn means turn where the follower starts turning towards me, so it's left turn in regular CBL and right turn in mentioned move on the other side, but maybe I'm wrong
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All I can say about " dance " is, know your antecedents, in ALL respects..
 
vit said:
In ballroom, they are useing names "natural turn" and "reverse turn" btw ...
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And.. Alemana.. and the origins of R and L turn, is more than likely out of VW. The theory being; in times past, the only turn danced in VW was to the right, hence ,. the " natural " way to turn, which of course, is to the right, and reverse, would be the opposite.
 
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vit said:
Timing-wise, prep on that position looks ok to me. However, "hand-flick" after that isn't ok, I don't see it possible to make it comfortably at that position and it is visible the lady always flicks her arm by herself, so it looks choreographed.

Overall I don't like the pattern, doesn't make much sense to me, although it is assembled from more-or-less usual moves, but modified and put together in not very good way. The same problem with many teachers in my venue when they try inventing something "new"
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Vit - I'm not sure about your level of experience in linear salsa and I won't make any assumptions, however this pattern in the vid is certainly not something "new" and uses very established linear moves. All of the proper change of direction fundamentals are well exercised, and nothing is outside the "norm" for linear salsa.

The level of the pattern taught I would consider to be intermediate and bordering on advanced, meaning an intermediate dancer with 3-4 years of strong salsa training should be able to learn it but will require further training to master it.

As for the hand toss, it's actually not necessary to perform a full hand movement. The movement can be very short and sharp, and if well timed and the direction is clear an advanced follow will know where to place it without confusion. What you're seeing is actually a well lead hand toss. I leaned this same technique from very high level instructors, and this is indeed how Oliver Pineda teaches it, as an example.
 
Whether you like the pattern or not is probably immaterial. There are many who probably would. I do because it's very leadable on the dance floor and exercises "outside the square" moves for less experienced dancers.
 
vit said:
Yes, I think it's an accurate description of the couple on the video :D
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No. Based on the way the moves are executed the couple are definitely above intermediate level.

I'm sure there will be dozens of "experts" on this forum who'll say I'm full of it and I'll let that be. Whatever.
 
Of course they are well above intermediate level, they even have a title of 3 times world salsa champion ...

Just that - their class is giving me a kind of "intermediate feel"
 
vit said:
Of course they are well above intermediate level, they even have a title of 3 times world salsa champion ...

Just that - their class is giving me a kind of "intermediate feel"
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maybe it was directed to a specific audience ?.It was, as WCS goes, average for content .
 
vit said:
Of course they are well above intermediate level, they even have a title of 3 times world salsa champion ...

Just that - their class is giving me a kind of "intermediate feel"
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Well..um...advanced people do teach intermediate level classes...why don't you youtube them?
 
The execution of the moves in the video are spot on and are *not* lacking in technique, if we are talking about linear salsa.

The dancers are obviously advanced, and are teaching an intermediate pattern.

That's really the end of the discussion right there. The OP was asking if the "bounce" was timed properly - I gave the answer the OP was interested in, which is yes all the moves are lead with the correct timing for on1 and on2.
 
Besides that I did not research the couple and did not know that they were World Champions, however I didn't need to know that - my eye told me enough already.
 
terence said:
Thanks.. another one, to add to the never ending list...
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Maybe, Terence, but you have to earn that title and these people compete against other World-class dancers to earn that, regardless of which comp they are competing in.
 
Jag75 said:
Maybe, Terence, but you have to earn that title and these people compete against other World-class dancers to earn that, regardless of which comp they are competing in.
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Like all titles.. it depends upon WHO you beat .And, you you do not need to tell me about "earning " titles, Ive trained enough prof. to know all about that ( 2 that became US ,and one of them 3rd in the world in BR..) .

My point was, there is not ONE single comp. that is recognised as THE world championship, in fact ,anyone may hold a comp and name it as such ( as many do ! ) .
 
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