Ahead of their time
- Thread starter Gaviota
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wow, this is really amazing! Unfortunately I have no examples - but this sounds really quite salsi-ish for being from 1952!
Dancing Queen
Changui
my mom loves this!!
nice Guaracha, i dont know if you consider this song ahead of its time or just a typical 1950s Son Montuno....if i'm not mistaken the singer is Celio Gonzalez and on coro Felo and Pitin....Luis Santi founded his conjunto in 1948, they played mostly boleros, sones and guarachas, take care
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DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
His biggest claim to fame is probably as composer of Babarabatiri. But he did plenty of other good tracks. I hadn't heard the 1 in the OP but I love it.
DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
I find a lot of mambo and son from the 40s or 50s that is of the same tempo as salsa sounds v salsa-like. Even on 1 dancers can enjoy dancing to a lot of it.
DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
I have a different version of this and I can't recall who it's by. This is going to drive me mental.
DJ Yuca
Son Montuno
I love the Johnny Pacheco version from a few years later, but this one is killer too.
i agree, Johnny Pacheco's version Oye Canuto from 1972 with Monguito
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when you find the version you have, please share it with us, take care bro
What's the name/artist of the song? The youtube video is unavailable for me
song name "CheChe Cambia El Paso"....by Conjunto de Luis Santi, singer Celio Gonzalez
Conjunto De Luis Santi, Celio González - Niña Del Alma / Cheche Cambia El Paso | Releases | Discogs
And still, to me there is something about this track that has a different flavor from all other mambo of that time that I know. Might be my personal association.
i don't know if this happens to the Hector Lavoe fans....to me Celio sounds what Lavoe will sound in the 1970s-80s, also when i listen to Nelo Sosa....just a curiosity
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Richie Blondet
Son Montuno
This is great. This 'sound' goes back to the 1940s. If you've ever heard Marcelino Guerra's big band orchestra circa 1945-1953, this is kind of what it sounded like, only with a fuller orchestra of saxes/trumpets. Not coincidentally, musically structured by the same arranger Guerra, Machito and others used who arranged Negro Mambi. Rene Hernandez.
He is the reason it sounds as modern as a 1970s "Salsa" recording. You hear the part where the piano lays down a montuno after Antar sings: "Mi guaguancó coro miyare?" That sounds like every Eddie Palmieri anthem from "Muñeca" to "Vamonos Pal' Monte." Rene was a huge influence on EP and Rene is credited in all of those early '70s recordings, going all the way to the White album in '81.
Rene is the architect of that early sound within the post-rhumba "Mambo" stage in the 1940s.There's still vestiges of the U.S. Rhumba era sound. The bongocero continues to play bongo throughout. Never once interlocking with the Mambo bell of the timbal. This development becomes the norm during the "Salsa" era. (About a decade after this was recorded).
Rene Hernandez was ahead of his time.
Richie Blondet
Son Montuno
The singer was actually Antar Daly. Who was NY based. Celio was in the midst of joining Cuba's Sonora Matancera in '53 or '54(?).
Mongo Santamaria and Justi Barreto (composer extraordinaire) are playing percussion.
I noticed on the youtube comments someone posted Sanson Batalla as being the composer of Negro Mambi. Unless he has some inside dope the composer credit went to Daly.
Richie Blondet
Son Montuno
I believe this had been mentioned before. He composed "Aguanile." Which Willie Colón & Hector Lavoe receive acclaim for.