A beginner's learning journal - Trying to overcome the Beginner's Hell

Sounds great Alxion, sounds like you are heading exactly the right way! Keep it up.

With regards to your right hand position, you should avoid being at 'kidney' height as if your lead requires any strength it can become distinctly uncomfortable for the follower.

I always recommend going for the shoulder blade as a good point of contact. It's easily recognisable and locatable and is a good point of contact in terms of making a definite lead ;)
 
It hasn't. Failed by one point. :(

I'll probably have to quit dancing for good. By the time my life frees up again, I would've forgotten everything I learned.
I've taken a break of a year, and although very rusty it came back pretty quick. Take heart my DG.
 
It hasn't. Failed by one point. :(

I'll probably have to quit dancing for good. By the time my life frees up again, I would've forgotten everything I learned.

Don't quit. I didn't start until my 40s, and I can see the signs of the beginning of my dancing prime begin to loom over the distant horizon. I saw another guy at a social last week who must have been well into their 70's. Some low-key learning might even help you to relax and improve your grades. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy....
 
To be honest Dancing Guy maybe you should just give up.

I don't mean this meanly, but you create so many obstacles for yourself I don't see that you will ever negotiate them

Failing by one point sucks completely however, and I'm sorry to hear that! Best of luck with your next attempt!
 
To be honest Dancing Guy maybe you should just give up.

I don't mean this meanly, but you create so many obstacles for yourself I don't see that you will ever negotiate them

Failing by one point sucks completely however, and I'm sorry to hear that! Best of luck with your next attempt!

Yes, I give up because time doesn't allow, although I'd love to dance again. But I had plans to go back to dancing as early as November, but so far, my stupid exams are getting in the way.
 
That's a matter of perspective. It appears that 90% or more of beginners never make it past Beginners Hell, making DancingGuy one of the few "normal" people on this forum. Now if we could get that missing 90% to start their own forum... ;)

Now that would be an interesting forum!

Yeah, I would agree that DancingGuy's frustrations are quite normal. What makes him unusual is that he didn't just walk off and forget the whole experience (which is what 95% of the 90% do) but stick around and analyse it with such gusto.
That sort of strange obsessiveness marks him out as ideal Salsero material ;)
All in good time, DG!
 
Now that would be an interesting forum!

Yeah, I would agree that DancingGuy's frustrations are quite normal. What makes him unusual is that he didn't just walk off and forget the whole experience (which is what 95% of the 90% do) but stick around and analyse it with such gusto.
That sort of strange obsessiveness marks him out as ideal Salsero material ;)
All in good time, DG!

Bingo!!!
 
Pssht, what could possibly be more interesting than THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING IN THE WORLD?!?!?!?!?! :P

windsurfing maybe? i'm not sure though. thanks god i cant to ws in london but even if i could do, i would do it in the morning and my nights would still be free for salsa :)
 
Interesting thread..
When I first started doing LA Salsa, we all went as a group of friends.

- A couple of the guys gave up after a few lessons (which, most do!)
- One of the girls got a boyfriend who didn't like her going Salsa, so she stopped!
- Another girl let her work take over and in the end I gave up asking her if she was going to the class or not. She hasn't been now for over a year.
- Another girl stopped going to all dance classes (Salsa, Jive, Tango), because she met someone, who didn't like her dancing with other men! She absolutely loved dancing too.
- Another girl stopped going for almost two years (at a different venue) because she met someone who didn't dance.

So I'm the only one left - some people think I'm 'very brave' for going to new classes where no-one knows me, but I'd just be sitting at home on my own if I didn't!

I'm not one to stay in every night watching boring DVD's, Salsa keeps me alive!
 
Interesting thread..
When I first started doing LA Salsa, we all went as a group of friends.

- A couple of the guys gave up after a few lessons (which, most do!)
- One of the girls got a boyfriend who didn't like her going Salsa, so she stopped!
- Another girl let her work take over and in the end I gave up asking her if she was going to the class or not. She hasn't been now for over a year.
- Another girl stopped going to all dance classes (Salsa, Jive, Tango), because she met someone, who didn't like her dancing with other men! She absolutely loved dancing too.
- Another girl stopped going for almost two years (at a different venue) because she met someone who didn't dance.

So I'm the only one left - some people think I'm 'very brave' for going to new classes where no-one knows me, but I'd just be sitting at home on my own if I didn't!

I'm not one to stay in every night watching boring DVD's, Salsa keeps me alive!

Good for you!!! That is the only way you get to meet new people who are passionate about what you like which is Salsa Dancing. Usually people who dance (do some kind of cardio workout) are happy people, so you will never meet miserable people anyway.

I'm not going to give up dancing because the guy I met or I'm going out with doesnt like me to do that!! He has to respect my hobbies!! but then again there are other aspects involved that belong in another thread.

I started going alone to the Salsa studio and that's how I met lots of people and that's how you get good dances too!!! So keep it up!!
 
On another note... I'm back in beginner's hell
I need to practice my copas!!! aaaahhhhhhhh
It's always good to go back to basics and get good foundations.
 
Way to go Disarm ;)

I’ve found that when you push your comfort zone in that way, it becomes easier to dance under “normal” circumstances.

Also, if you often go to the same place and you are a bit social, it’s very likely that sooner than after you’ll make new acquaintances/friends there.

Interesting thread..
So I'm the only one left - some people think I'm 'very brave' for going to new classes where no-one knows me, but I'd just be sitting at home on my own if I didn't!

On another note, I would like to update the journal, as some interesting things have happened since last entry :D

Thanks to a few consecutive good experiences (first one was the last entry), I think I have improved a lot my mindset, as I now know from first hand that I can have fun dances with both beginners and more advanced follows.

This has been very important, as in a short time span, the good days and the bad days have flipped – as opposite from one month ago, now the good and fun days are the norm and the bad ones are the exception.

Based from our experiences, it seems that these bad days tend to occur whenever we:
a) wait too much to dance, which usually leaves us intimidated (because we start watching other dancers, or there is no one in the club, etc.)
b) have been in a previous workshop which is either way more advanced than our current level, or from another dance style totally different than ours.

As for what I think have been the biggest points in this improving, apart from those good experiences, I’ve been alternating lead/follow roles when practicing with my brother and another good friend, and I also spend now more time social dancing (I try to go at least 2 times each week, often 3 times).

OTOH, we have now made friends with a group of regular salseras than are in the upper levels of Cuban Salsa, and almost every week we have the opportunity to have a few dances with some of the most advanced followers in the club (they are also very friendly and encouraging with us).

All together I think the first results are beginning to show, as we get complimented regularly for our leading/dancing (considering the sort time that we have been dancing).

Anyway, I'm still struggling to keep some dances interesting, mostly due to my very short repertory, and I still have problems leading some moves. Also, improving musicality seems far away as I mostly focus on one/two instruments to count the beat (most time bells) and even though Spanish is my mother language, I wouldn't be able to catch any of the lyrics.

I only hope that this 2 week holiday break doesn’t make a big regression in our dance, as we were having the most fun just before the break…
 
Alxionm here is a little trick for your repertoire : try the same moves but with slightly different movement/direction (ie if you do a dilequeno, bring the girl elsewhere), and try them with different hands (left instead of right or whatever), and different part of the body (ie a DLQ can be lead hand to hand, or whatever). You can also change the size or your moves (small/medium/big).
This way you can get lots of different thing with the same repertoire.
 
Hi there Alxion - it's great news to hear that you've persevered with Salsa, and that your perseverance is paying off for you!

My tip for musicality is to get yourself a lot of music to listen to in your own time (in the car, on the bus etc). If you approach your teacher, he/she will probably give you some tunes to listen to - but on the other hand, some teachers might have a limited taste in music. (Some do where I'm from anyway). What would be even better would be whenever you hear a song you really enjoy at a Salsa night, go and ask the DJ what the name of the song and artist are. If you have a smartphone, then the "Shazam" app should be able to tell you the same thing. If you know any DJs, they might burn a few tracks onto a CD for you to check out. If there's anything you like, then why not Spotify the artist to see if you like more of their music.

But if you're listening to the music (be it Salsa, Timba or whatever) in your own time, then it will sink in better, and musicality will become easier. I don't speak Spanish, but I sing along to all sorts of stuff that I've heard before! (And no-one corrects me, because they don't speak Spanish either!)

Have fun :)
 
I am so glad to have found these forums. I haven´t stopped reading since I found it this weekend and probably saved me from quitting altogether since my second social dance (and probably last social for a loooooooong time) last week after taking classes for a few months. It’s very nice to read I’m not the only one having/had difficulties with ‘beginners hell’.

How long have you taken classes before starting going to socials? I didn´t get that out of your first post.
 
welcome to Salsa Forums Gonzo! Regarding your Question...everyone is different but you will find everyone will agree that the sooner you invest time in social dancing the faster your salsa ability/proficiency will increase. And many people will say they wish they had started social dancing earlier.
 
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