21 Things For Followers To Follow

More honoured i'the breach than in the observance

salsaonline said:
simple things that ladies can do to improve their following that *hardly any* ladies do when I go to clubs (even though they are otherwise good dancers)

I am sure you are not alone in this.

The basics of following are seldom taught, or seldom taught well. In the majority of cases they are also, it seems, quickly forgotten or at least, not maintained. Maybe because the prevalent way of thinking seems to be that 'everything is the lead's responsibility.' It isn't.

Let's try to compile a list of simple basic things that followers should do automatically, but all too often don't:

1. Wait for a lead.

2. In the absence of a lead - i.e. when the leader does not signal and initiate some change of direction or momentum - do your basic over 8 beats (many moves particularly in X-body rely on the follower executing her basic: if On1, back then forward, forward then back. Sooooo many followers don't do this simple thing!).

3. Maintain your frame - connect to the lead with responsive arm pressure. Otherwise he can't guide you with precision.

4. In open hold, follow the hand that is being led, with your frame. i.e. orient your frame towards it

5. When they're below shoulder height and your hands are on his, keep the connecting hands slightly angled up at the wrist (so that, using the connection pressure, he can guide you backwards with that hand as well as forwards)

6. Keep your hands available - waist height when loose, if not in a styling moment - so that he knows exactly where to find a hand.

7. Take the offered hand, returning any pressure.

8. If the lead drapes your hand on or round his body, leave it there until he removes it one way or another - this helps him to find that hand again immediately, as he can feel exactly where it is even if he's turning.

9. If he tosses or flicks your hand / arm up, for pity's sake continue the movement gracefully up and around. He's expecting you to do that, not to make your arm go stiff after moving three inches!

10. Distinguish between hand flicks where the lead wants that hand back again (the majority) from those where he is throwing away that hand in order to take the other. The beat on which this occurs is usually critical to that distinction.

11. Do not take the initiative to let go the leader's hand, even if you worry that what he is attempting to do may result in a knot. (This assumes that the leader knows what he's doing - if you decide not to trust him, the dance may as well end there and then).

12. Do not hold on to the leader's hand so that he cannot drop yours easily. The initiative to take or drop a hand is his.

13. If the leader initiates a turn or spin, keep turning or spinning until he acts to stop you. Many moves over the full eight beats rely heavily on this principle and become joyfully easy if only the follower understands it. If she doesn't, they either require a heavy mechanical lead or result in one of those moments where she knows she's hesitated and got something wrong - but may blame it unfairly on his leading!

14. Unless otherwise engineered specifically by the lead, keep some bend in your connected elbow so that there is always some flexibility for you to step backwards as well as forwards.

15. Recognise the signals to go into a shine and learn some of the conventions to signal when you'd like to come out of it. Have a few steps you can shine with, rather than freezing in horror.

16. Recognise a block and have your bodyroll etc. ready to occupy that space of four beats until the block's lifted.

17. If he's doing something amazing in front of you but not leading you to do anything at the same time, don't stand there frozen in open-mouthed wonder! Do something cute and sexy.

18. In the absence of any tactile lead, use visual cues. If he's positioning for a cross-body lead, no contact, then do a cross body. If you're doing X-body style and he starts walking round you, don't turn (just do your back-and-forward, forward-and-back 8-beat basic). If it's Cuban and he walks round you, do turn.

19. If the leader's behind you and one or both of your hands are loose on the pause beat, make them available to him (use the seagull position if both hands, half seagull position if one hand, and if he doesn't take them on the next beat withdraw them quickly as he may be coming round you and doesn't want to go round a wide circle to avoid your extended hands).

20. When he starts to lead your arms overhead, take the tension/pressure off as soon as he takes the tension off (don't fight a head-comb, and when spinning or turning keep those overhead arms soft so he can do touch-and-gos or neck wraps or hand drapes or hand flicks etc without you getting into a stiff-arm wrestle)

21. Pay attention to your leader as well as to his lead. Look at him when he's looking at you. And smile! The least you can both do is be each other's for five minutes on the dance floor.


Well, that took only ten minutes and doubtless there are comments, amendments or additions to be made by colleagues here!

(PS: something happened with the SF server today - Terence2 made a reply that was recorded earlier, but it has now disappeared and an earlier version of my post was reinstated, to which I have now made one small edit)
 
Flex said:
More honoured i'the breach than in the observance

19. If the leader's behind you and one or both of your hands are loose on the pause beat, make them available to him (use the seagull position if both hands, half seagull position if one hand, and if he doesn't take them on the next beat withdraw them quickly as he may be coming round you and doesn't want to go round a wide circle to avoid your extended hands).


What is this seagull business?


Good list! Lots to keep in mind, but working on each of those makes the dancing so much more enjoyable & easier to follow more complicated moves or combinations without fumbles.

About hand flicks, let's add that the pace of the music & the force with which the lead flicks determines how fast the follow moves her hand around in an arc to wherever it's supposed to go.
 
catarina said:
What is this seagull business?

Ah. You know when you were a kid, you'd draw seagulls flying as a sort of extended 'W' shape? That's it. If you're free and the lead's behind you and you can't see what he's going to do next, you extend your hands to the side on the pause beat, at or slightly above waist height and a shortish way out from your body. It looks pretty but like the best ladies' styling it has a purpose in the partnership too: to make your hands available to the leader. He might want one. But if he doesn't take one, you bring them in swiftly on the next beat as he may be walking past your side to get to your front again.

And the 'half seagull' would be when he is behind you (you may be back to back) and has one of your hands - not in a wrap. You extend the other hand similarly, in case he wants it.

In a wrap of course you make your hand available on the opposite side rather than on the same side.

The extended hand is also useful to the follower as prep for a possible spin, if led.
 
catarina said:
What is this seagull business?

I think it's the moves that I was taught as titanic and crucifix (but I could be wrong).

Another point for followers ...

If the guy puts his hand on your left shoulder, don't try to put your left hand onto his shoulder, because he's about to try and lead a clockwise turn and your arm isn't likely to bend in the right direction!
 
#22: When the lead places his leading hand on your hip or waist to lead a turn or spin, raise your arms above your head (it looks pretty if you cross your wrists). Keep them there while you spin, and if he keeps his hand on your hip or waist to stop you, keep those arms up - until it's clear the sequence is over as he moves to take you in hold. Equally, if he flips both your arms up keep them up there. If he tickles you, use your raised hands to slap him smartly on both cheeks....
 
This looks a lot like the list of Rules of Thumb for followers I tried to discuss in the DF last year (or was it the year before?)

There's another similar list here already. One for leaders too. It's not too old. I'll bet you could find it pretty easily. I'll look later on. When I get to my list I'll probably have some more to add.

Now if you excuse me, I have Salsa class to get to !!!! YAY!! Been 2 weeks because of the holidays.
 
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TorontoDanceSalsa said:
Thanks so much for this list Flex! I thought it was so good I posted it on my blog - hope you don't mind.

Delighted. The more follows that follow them, the better!

Don't forget to add #22 above.

I also thought of another one the other night, but damn I've forgotten it again....
 
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Flex said:
I also thought of another one the other night, but damn I've forgotten it again....

O yes -

#23: When the lead walks you backwards, please don't assume that a jazz step comes next unless he leads one. He may have something else in mind...


(This particular one arises because walk-back-and-mambojazz has become something of a cliche move. I use it too, but because it's a cliche I will often lead something else - more flowing - after a walk back. But if the follow assumes and executes a jazz, you're stuffed for any other lead. If the lead wants the follow to do a jazz step he will lead one!)
 
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Flex said:
This particular one arises because walk-back-and-mambojazz has become something of a cliche move. I use it too, but because it's a cliche I will often lead something else... If the lead wants the follow to do a jazz step he will lead one!)

Oo good call. I will start leading walkbacks that do not end in mambo jazz.
 
#23's great, but isn't it an example of a bigger issue? I mean, there are hundreds of cliche patterns. I would say be careful of getting used to any common/cliche move or pattern. Just as many of us leaders don't want to be just like everybody else and we try to change a cliche move, a follower should be aware if a move is getting cliche and be especially alert to an alternate lead. Make sure you are doing the move that he is leading.

Some leaders might be so used to a common move/pattern that they get used to the followers doing the standard move over and over and he might not even realize that he's no longer leading anything. If he doesn't lead anything, then just do a basic, or if there's time and room add some flair/styling. (After all, isn't that what the mambo jazz step is anyway?) But don't hijack unless you mean to. It's like my #1,2,3 rules of thumb for followers

#1 If in doubt, do the basic
#2 Constantly doubt
#3 Following comes before styling

It's not necessarily a bad thing if when a guy starts a cliche move/pattern that when the usual mambo jazz step happens the follower does nothing but a salsa basic if he doesn't lead anything. That might wake him up to the reality that he's supposed to lead it.
 
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sweavo said:
Flex said:
This particular one arises because walk-back-and-mambojazz has become something of a cliche move. I use it too, but because it's a cliche I will often lead something else... If the lead wants the follow to do a jazz step he will lead one!)

Oo good call. I will start leading walkbacks that do not end in mambo jazz.

I lead a walkback last night and din't put the mambo jazz lead at the end of it. I did nothing and my partner looked at me with a puzzled expression. I couldn't actually think of anything else to do and had one of those 'frozen' moments where the brain just gives up for a second because it's not following a familiar pattern.

Any suggestions for a different lead?
 
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AndrewS,

I sometimes rock on the spot, do a half turn to the left together with the follower, or lastly a rotating CBL ... All have a good chance of earning you a smile.. lol.

AndrewS said:
sweavo said:
Flex said:
This particular one arises because walk-back-and-mambojazz has become something of a cliche move. I use it too, but because it's a cliche I will often lead something else... If the lead wants the follow to do a jazz step he will lead one!)

Oo good call. I will start leading walkbacks that do not end in mambo jazz.

I lead a walkback last night and din't put the mambo jazz lead at the end of it. I did nothing and my partner looked at me with a puzzled expression. I couldn't actually think of anything else to do and had one of those 'frozen' moments where the brain just gives up for a second because it's not following a familiar pattern.

Any suggestions for a different lead?
 
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AndrewS said:
Any suggestions for a different lead?

Well, the possibilities are many. Assuming you have walked her back on your right side and you are dancing On1, you can, for example:

- lead her forward on her right using your bicep pressure, then turn her out either way..
- continue the backward flow into a right turn with you following round
- if in a wrap, one of my favourite ways is to uncoil her with a brisk unwrap on 123 then bring her into the wrap sideways again on 567 and follow immediately with a lean.
- simply stop at the end of your backwards walk and hold her in a sideways Titanic for her to shine a couple of bars.
- do a walking shine together where you are leading her in tango-like manner, every step.


Another thing I may do if the follower has done an automatic jazz step is to lead her to do an anticlockwise spin on the spot immediately after, ending up in exactly the same position she was when she did the jazz step.... take two .... :D
 
Flex said:
#23: When the lead walks you backwards, please don't assume that a jazz step comes next unless he leads one. He may have something else in mind...


(This particular one arises because walk-back-and-mambojazz has become something of a cliche move. I use it too, but because it's a cliche I will often lead something else - more flowing - after a walk back. But if the follow assumes and executes a jazz, you're stuffed for any other lead. If the lead wants the follow to do a jazz step he will lead one!)
I've always thought that the mambo jazz was a styling move - okay the leader could lead it if he wanted it but it's more of the follower's choice in the absence of a lead. In other words, if you lead it, I'll follow it; if you lead something else, I'll follow that; but if you don't lead anything, it's up to me to do it or not do it. No?

The walkback to me always feels a bit awkward (possibly because you are taken away from the basic step pattern) and sort of shrinky, and a mambo jazz a good snappy move to come out of it with - you shrink, then you open out with a bang. It feels good, especially if it fits the music. It's true it's a bit cliched, but perhaps for a good reason.

So yes, the follower should be prepared for the lead to do something else, but I don't agree that a mambo jazz has to be led.
 
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