Salsa - My New York Adventure

guys, this thread is about NY salsa review. Why dont you discuss the videos of Tomas giving endless spins to girls?

But I believe you know that Tomas != NY scene.
Tomas = Tomas/Santo Rico.

FrankieM. = FrankieM.

By and large, few people dance the way they do on the dance floors of clubs or other venues...
 
No, no, no :p Not true. Not everyone dances with turn pattern frenzies.

Just the other night, I danced a lovely slow cha-cha with Frankie--no spins, one single turn in the entire dance. No solo shines either, just connected grooving to the music the entire time.
Really? Well okay. I would have loved to have seen that. It goes to show not everything uploaded onto youtube is representative of individual or regional style.
 
Really? Well okay. I would have loved to have seen that. It goes to show not everything uploaded onto youtube is representative of individual or regional style.
Yes, it was great, I'm still swooning. :) And so have been all my other dances with him--some were more energetic when the song was faster, but none of them were turn pattern frenzies.
 
In fairness, I should point out that I know some pretty good dancers from London (who like to dance to real salsa music). (They're students of Don.)
 
Don't know his last name, however I'm sure the London contingent can tell you more. I get the impression he's the best instructor in the city for slot style salsa. I know he gets instructors coming to his lessons in an attempt to up their game.

(I've even heard tales of instructors attending his lessons and denying that they're instructors. For some reason I'll say no more. :D)
 
In fairness, I should point out that I know some pretty good dancers from London (who like to dance to real salsa music). (They're students of Don.)
You seem to have a lot of opinions about London when seemingly you have not danced there.

You should try SOS - a high proportion of dancers there actually like the salsa dura/latin jazz that they play.
 
You seem to have a lot of opinions about London when seemingly you have not danced there.

You should try SOS - a high proportion of dancers there actually like the salsa dura/latin jazz that they play.
I was there some years ago and I was impressed with the music and even told the DJ about my positive feelings! :)

[It is always good to give credit when it is due, that way hopefully this will reenforce the validity of a given DJs work and approach!]

As for the dancing, well that is a different story, but I guess it is a case of different strokes...LOL!
 
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I think you really missed the point of the whole article and went into super defense mode (I am reading a lot of subtext in your response).

The review was based on my limited time in NYC (as stated in the article) but I will be back for another helping. However, based on my time there this was my impression. I did not say that NYC does not have anything to offer, I think it has loads. I had some amazing dances, some ok dances, and some really bad, but will be true for any scene you go to. This was in the conclusion of the article.

For me every scene has it's properties, Eastern Europe is as technically good as anywhere in the world, Paris has more flavour as a scene then anywhere in the world, Milan has a more sense of dress style then anywhere in the world, London has more partner work than most places. It is about a differences of culture, appreciating differences and experiencing something new. I am sure that you can understand this.

This article isn't there to tell people not to go, as I state that people should go and try for themselves, but I do believe that the mass hysteria around NYC is not called for. The majority of people that know who made the trip to NYC believing that this is Mecca have been bitterly disappointed. I think to put things into perspective and setting expectations correctly will help the majority of London based dancers get a better experience of NYC, this is what we want right?
I agree with Toan. My limited experiences say that if you believe new yorker self promotion - you might get disappointed. I did not believe that NYC is Mecca, but it's not better dance scene than London. And London is not the best from what I've seen. Living in Eastern Europe has spoiled me. Average level of dancing in NYC is that bad, that ladies actively reject leads whom they don't know, because most of them are painfully bad. I went through pre-dance interviews even when I had dance shoes on. :) But there were few very good - musical dancers.

What was cool is the cultural side, passion for the music. I say - embrace what you have and enjoy that. I'll try to check out New York scene more. The city has such depth that one probably can find what they like there.
 
In the end I did make it there once, and had a great time. Definitely one I would like to return to.

Unfortunately for me, on my previous weekends in London I was only there Friday and Saturday nights (admittedly in August) - and there was nothing on. That was over 5 years ago though so things may well have changed.
 
In the end I did make it there once, and had a great time. Definitely one I would like to return to.

Unfortunately for me, on my previous weekends in London I was only there Friday and Saturday nights (admittedly in August) - and there was nothing on. That was over 5 years ago though so things may well have changed.
There is a salsa vinyl night on Saturdays every couple of months, I think. I have not made it in a few years but the music was, and I'm sure still is, superb.

Sorry, just realised this is not a London thread (but it has been dug up from the grave).
 
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I agree with Toan. My limited experiences say that if you believe new yorker self promotion - you might get disappointed. I did not believe that NYC is Mecca, but it's not better dance scene than London. And London is not the best from what I've seen. Living in Eastern Europe has spoiled me. Average level of dancing in NYC is that bad, that ladies actively reject leads whom they don't know, because most of them are painfully bad. I went through pre-dance interviews even when I had dance shoes on. :) But there were few very good - musical dancers.

What was cool is the cultural side, passion for the music. I say - embrace what you have and enjoy that. I'll try to check out New York scene more. The city has such depth that one probably can find what they like there.
What are good places you think, please?
 
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I agree with Toan. My limited experiences say that if you believe new yorker self promotion - you might get disappointed. I did not believe that NYC is Mecca, but it's not better dance scene than London. And London is not the best from what I've seen. Living in Eastern Europe has spoiled me. Average level of dancing in NYC is that bad, that ladies actively reject leads whom they don't know, because most of them are painfully bad. I went through pre-dance interviews even when I had dance shoes on. :) But there were few very good - musical dancers.

What was cool is the cultural side, passion for the music. I say - embrace what you have and enjoy that. I'll try to check out New York scene more. The city has such depth that one probably can find what they like there.
Did you read what Richie wrote on the same pages few posts below the Toan's post?

If you go to the socials that are primary based a around particular school, my experience has been disappointing. Even my experience at the only Frankie's social I attended wasn't that great. But there were two more dancing places with few minutes of walking distance or cab ride. That is the crowd gets fragmented due to number of options available to people.

In addition to what Richie wrote, I think what makes NYC stand out is the number of quality instructors available and the live music (after all NYC has contributed as much to salsa music as any other place on the planet in past 50-60 years). NYC metro population is ~20M people. The city alone is about 8M people. That is a lot of people!

For anyone to get a proper experience, you might have to spend a few months. Going for one weekend can be hit or miss. I have been to NYC probably about 4 or 5 times. It has been more miss than a hit. That is only because where I choose to go.

As far as ladies actively rejecting the leads they don't know, I truly haven't experienced that. I am fairly sensitive to level of rejections in general. Other guys on here who have frequented NYC can also attest to that. I haven't heard any of them say anything about the level of rejection. NYC also tends to be slightly lead dominated. People in NYC in general have a certain attitude. That also carries over in to the socials.
 
I completely agree with Richie that New York should be visited in summer. And with the rest that he wrote as well. Where we differ is that I also much appreciate quality of the dance. It's rather important to me.

Also I don't care too much about salsa as such. I much prefer good jazz or hip hop or whatever to bad salsa. In New York this is all in competition, so I did go out so see live music, but that was jazz.

P.S. In SF many of good dancers I met were imports from where I'm coming from; in NYC as well. ;) Just sayin' we're spoiled here.
 
P.S. In SF many of good dancers I met were imports from where I'm coming from; in NYC as well. ;) Just sayin' we're spoiled here.
Or, you have a preference for a certain style that is prevalent in your region ;)

I can say that most of my favorite leads I meet from around the world (and again this could be a male-female issue, since you're a lead and I'm a follow -- maybe NY follows are somehow much worse than the leads) either were from NY, had trained in NY, or had trained with someone who was trained in NY.

Case in point: a week ago I was at our local Friday night party in Boston and I danced with a dancer I didn't know. It was a very good dance and I could immediately tell the NYC influence in his dancing (granted, the fact that he danced on2 was also a tip-off, but there are plenty of on2 dancers in Boston as well, there was something else in his dancing that immediately made me think, I am dancing with a NY dancer). Immediately after the dance I asked him where he was from, he said he had lived in Boston for a few years and hadn't danced there much, I asked him where he learned salsa and he said he lived in NY before that and that's where he learned to dance. :)
 

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