Remixing Pop music into Salsa/Bachata/Kizomba - Why?

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There’s pop music and there’s salsa/casino/bachata/kizomba/etc. One would think that if you choose to dance salsa (or whatever other dance) it’s because you enjoy the music that the dance is danced to. Yet, for some people that isn’t enough. They take pop music and make it salsa - what’s the appeal that?

My personal theory on this is that most people don’t actually appreciate the music or dance, but rather do it as a social activity. Then, they try to make the dance fit their musical preference.

Well, that and people’s tendency to be drawn to the familiar so that if they hear “shape of you” and it comes in salsa form, it makes them feel like they enjoy that too – even if it’s a hollow rendition.
 
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My personal theory on this is that most people don’t actually appreciate the music or dance, but rather do it as a social activity. Then, they try to make the dance fit their musical preference.
That's it in a nutshell. The people that actually learn to enjoy the music and dance are few unfortunately.

But now that social media dating apps have come into play it's not even seen as a social activity anymore for most.
 
#5
Ime most people who dance kizomba and bachata, even the dedicated ones, in Europe don't care nearly as much about the music as hardcore salseros. So why not listen to even shi**ier pop versions? Especially with urban kiz and sensual bachata, most of the music is just objectively (imo :p) stone awful - who's going to care about it anyway.

Agree with khabibul's personal theory. They might appreciate the dance itself, but disconnect it from the music. Which sounds weird to most of us, but not to many others.
 
#6
While I agree to a certain extend, it is worth noting that a lot of pop hits have their basis on cuban rhythms. In any case the issue may be deeper and showing lack of interest / capacity to produce new music; usually associated with funding. Hence, many opt for the easy solution of copying a pop song and those with little interest in the history or culture just follow that. So am not sure we should blame the dancers for this.
 
#7
I agree, I have mentioned in other treads.

in Latin America: the music, the singers, the musicians, the radio stations, the band's are all important. In the other hand: The dance schools, the dance studios, the teachers, the performers are not that important.

Outside Latin America it's totally the opposite.

The only thing that share importance in both is the dancing part but outside latin America the dancing has evolved a lot more.

I find this to be sweet and sour. it's kind of like going overseas to drink your own beer which still has the same brand name but somehow tastes differently.
 
#8
Why? Because people like it. There is not much point in arguing about taste though. Take a song you like, change it up a bit (remix) and if done right, you will still like it, but now you can also dance to it. Salsa versions of pop music is like this. I too agree that it usually works better with bachata (ie: 7 years remixes).
 
#9
Why? Because people like it. There is not much point in arguing about taste though. Take a song you like, change it up a bit (remix) and if done right, you will still like it, but now you can also dance to it. Salsa versions of pop music is like this. I too agree that it usually works better with bachata (ie: 7 years remixes).
Its not about taste, but preserving the musical genre .

The musical construction and latin melodies, those are the things to which we should predicate the "dance".

Generally, I have found the reasons for using other music, is the lack of knowledge of subject "matter " and a very deficient library .
 
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Its not about taste, but preserving the musical genre .

The musical construction and latin melodies, those are the things to which we should predicate the "dance".

Generally, I have found the reasons for using other music, is the lack of knowledge of subject "matter " and a very deficient library .
I tend to agree with this too.

I find it is a shame outside latin America most people dance to the music without enjoying the lyrics (language barrier).

Again is a shame. For instance, if you ask a regular Latin American. Do you like to dance baladas and boleros. I guess the answer is likely no because the music itself does not make you dance. However, when you add certain element to it like a singer like Jose Jose. You want to dance his songs with someone you like.


it's the same effect with Salsa. I like many romanticas for that reason, the music is ok but when the right singer and lyrics are added. it just becomes something perfect.

I'm in several Facebook salsa groups and some regular and even below average salsa songs seem to be so popular to the level of cult.

Some samples:
Jardin Prohibido (forbbidden garden). probably the song I have seen the most on FB.

The music and the singer are ok or below average but the lyrics take the song to a whole new level. its about a BF asking for sincere forgiveness because he felt to the seduction of another woman (his gf best friend)... The way the story is told is just marvelous and great for a movie.


"La Cita" (the Date). Same as above, the music and singer are ok or below average but the lyrics are about a guy who finds out his spouse cheats with other men. One of these men writes letters and love notes to this woman and she fell for it (the song is not very clear who wrote the letters, it could be the actual husband). She seemed to have arranged a date to meet this man with so much anticipation but when she arrives at the hotel. To her surprise, She finds the husband and he tells her " assume its not me... and that I am the unknown mysterious guy who who gave you the moon in a piece of paper, whom you are so desperate to see".

I picture this situation very similar to the movie "true lies".



the last one for me for me is "Panteon de amor". I find the singing and music to be way below average but the lyrics makes everything to be just perfect.

It's about a guy who happen to see another guy walking with a shovel and suddenly start to bury an "invisible object". He approaches and asks him what he is doing and he replies while crying: "I'm burying the love I felt for the ungrateful Maria..... that everytime while I was out, she was seeing someone else". the guy was so sorry to know the love this man felt was so great and important that it deserved an important burial.


There are lots of songs like this with ok music and singing but the lyrics totally take the song to a new level.
 
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I tend to agree with this too.

I find it is a shame outside latin America most people dance to the music without enjoying the lyrics (language barrier).

Again is a shame. For instance, if you ask a regular Latin American. Do you like to dance baladas and boleros. I guess the answer is likely no because the music itself does not make you dance. However, when you add certain element to it like a singer like Jose Jose. You want to dance his songs with someone you like.
The funny thing is that I see people saying this a lot and yet the class of people , if we think of people who started dancing around the same time and in the same schools as a class, that I started dancing with - well the ones who didn't quit but became serious about it - almost all have learned to speak Spanish and are very into lyrics. So my experience has been that nearly all the salsa dancers I know have speak Spanish.
 
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The funny thing is that I see people saying this a lot and yet the class of people , if we think of people who started dancing around the same time and in the same schools as a class, that I started dancing with - well the ones who didn't quit but became serious about it - almost all have learned to speak Spanish and are very into lyrics. So my experience has been that nearly all the salsa dancers I know have speak Spanish.

That is not my experience. Learning any language as an adult is lot more difficult than to dance :)
 
#15
There’s pop music and there’s salsa/casino/bachata/kizomba/etc. One would think that if you choose to dance salsa (or whatever other dance) it’s because you enjoy the music that the dance is danced to. Yet, for some people that isn’t enough. They take pop music and make it salsa - what’s the appeal that?

My personal theory on this is that most people don’t actually appreciate the music or dance, but rather do it as a social activity. Then, they try to make the dance fit their musical preference.

Well, that and people’s tendency to be drawn to the familiar so that if they hear “shape of you” and it comes in salsa form, it makes them feel like they enjoy that too – even if it’s a hollow rendition.

The places I go dancing and have danced, never really heard any pop remixed into salsa.

I have heard good and bad remixes of pop to bachata.

I have heard only bad remixes of pop to kizomba.

Some remixea are well done and you forget that they were originally pop (bachata ones)
 
#16
That is not my experience. Learning any language as an adult is lot more difficult than to dance :)
That is why I specifically said that my "class" (people in Sweden who all started dancing casino around 1999-2000) was like that, Some people dropped out of dancing of course but the ones who stayed, including in different cities in Sweden, have learned Spanish. Some of the women have married Latinos now and have bilingual kids. Maybe my "class" of dancers was unique. May have been different for following "generations". Or maybe Swedes like languages and maybe some of them had already studied Spanish in school. I have never asked.

I'm big into lyrics and studied 3 semesters of Italian so I could understand Eros Ramazzotti and that doubtless helped me learn Spanish faster, because of the similarities. My Spanish studies began with me writing down song lyrics phonetically and then getting help from a Colombian friend to fix them into correct words. :)
 

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