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#21
I remember, when I just started to dance salsa I came to salsa party in Kiev and a guy asked me, "What would you like to dance: On1, On2 or Cuban?". I was impressed:D
Shouldn't that depend on the music :) Some timba music is so strong, that it feels completely out of place to dance on1 or on2 to it. I rather sit out than try to dance slot/linear to music that is simply not suitable for it. There are some salsa songs to which dancing Cuban just seems out of place.

If I were a follower my response to that question would be a counter question - "what does music want you to dance?" :)
 
#22
Shouldn't that depend on the music :) Some timba music is so strong, that it feels completely out of place to dance on1 or on2 to it. I rather sit out than try to dance slot/linear to music that is simply not suitable for it. There are some salsa songs to which dancing Cuban just seems out of place.

If I were a follower my response to that question would be a counter question - "what does music want you to dance?" :)
Yes, you are right. Some songs are more suitable for Cuban while others can be better interpreted through crossboby. I all the time think about it.:)
You do not need to sit if you learn a new style;)
 
#26
Shouldn't that depend on the music :) Some timba music is so strong, that it feels completely out of place to dance on1 or on2 to it. I rather sit out than try to dance slot/linear to music that is simply not suitable for it. There are some salsa songs to which dancing Cuban just seems out of place.

If I were a follower my response to that question would be a counter question - "what does music want you to dance?" :)
I agree but please, on 1 and on 2 are timings, both of which exist in casino as well as in the linear styles.
 
#27
I agree but please, on 1 and on 2 are timings, both of which exist in casino as well as in the linear styles.
Yes, true, but I think here the shorthand was for the style preference. Imagine if Marisha's reply to that lead would have been I prefer Cuban style contra tiempo :) or on2 but with LA style :D :D
 
#28
Yes. It's great for a lead to want to please the follower - but when that is their only priority then the concept of dancing to the music becomes discarded.
It is not about pleasing someone...I just do not understand why you make it so complicated. It is about fun and an open mind for something new. Salsa music is something that unites us, so this is the most important thing. The more tools you have to play with music the better because it gives you the new opportunity. For me, every "style" has their unique flavor...and the more I dance, the more I love salsa because I have more than just one way to work with the music.
 
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#32
It is not about pleasing someone...I just do not understand why you make it so complicated. It is about fun and an open mind for something new. Salsa music is something that unites us, so this is the most important thing. The more tools you have to play with music the better because it gives you the new opportunity. For me, every "style" has their unique flavor...and the more I dance, the more I love salsa because I have more than just one way to work with the music.
Surely asking a follow which of 3 styles they want to dance is making things complicated?
 
#33
Yes, you are right. Some songs are more suitable for Cuban while others can be better interpreted through crossboby. I all the time think about it.:)
You do not need to sit if you learn a new style;)
If you see the dances more flexible it is very well possible to dance to any music with the moves set of either Cuban or Linear styles. But well, you gotta expand the borders further than most teachers teach.

I tend to interpret it as "different music is suited for different kinds of communicative tension" and the standard setup of Cuban, LA and NY have different standard settings. In some scenes these settings are extremely narrow, in others they are broader. After I discarded these standard settings my dancing became much more creative and I am capable of having great dances with anyone but the most dogmatic dancers.

Dancers who never really came across the concept of personalizing the styles often are either shocked or amazed by that but few are indifferent. Creativity isn't welcome everywhere in the dancing world.
 

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#35
Surely asking a follow which of 3 styles they want to dance is making things complicated?
They usually dance only 1 style, and even in rare situations when they dance more than one, they prefer one of them. And within that, they prefer whether on1 (if they don't dance on2) or on2 (if they do, which however shows that they are more advanced than other followers) :p
 
#36
If you see the dances more flexible it is very well possible to dance to any music with the moves set of either Cuban or Linear styles. But well, you gotta expand the borders further than most teachers teach.

I tend to interpret it as "different music is suited for different kinds of communicative tension" and the standard setup of Cuban, LA and NY have different standard settings. In some scenes these settings are extremely narrow, in others they are broader. After I discarded these standard settings my dancing became much more creative and I am capable of having great dances with anyone but the most dogmatic dancers.

Dancers who never really came across the concept of personalizing the styles often are either shocked or amazed by that but few are indifferent. Creativity isn't welcome everywhere in the dancing world.
There is creativity and creativity. Partner dancing is an 'active' conversation between two people than say abstract painting or contemporary dancing. You can't apply same standards of creativity.

In partner dancing, I feel that while creativity is definitely a good ingredient to have, it needs to be bounded by the music and the partner you are with. Otherwise it can end up like having a one way dialogue (that no one else understands)
 
#37
They usually dance only 1 style, and even in rare situations when they dance more than one, they prefer one of them. And within that, they prefer whether on1 (if they don't dance on2) or on2 (if they do, which however shows that they are more advanced than other followers) :p
To me it's simple - me leader, you follower You follow my style :D

P.S. for those prone to literal interpretation, said in jest
 
#38
In partner dancing, I feel that while creativity is definitely a good ingredient to have, it needs to be bounded by the music and the partner you are with. Otherwise it can end up like having a one way dialogue (that no one else understands)
yes...absolutely. I also love creativity, but there are also fundamental things that we have to respect as we respect the music. Fundamental basic frames our creativity.
Sorry guys but again Edie...
 
#40
Diego for sure got a lot of attention in that fest. It's like 3rd video you posted today?
I just wanted to illustrate that it is absolutely ok for both followers and leaders to dance NY, LA, Casino, and switch. It is also ok not to dance...But the important thing is if you do not like something it does not make this thing bad, perhaps you just do not know it well. And if you try at least... maybe you will like it.
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Honestly, I do not know him at all; I found his videos by accident.:)
 

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