El Sol Warsaw Salsa Festival 2017

I don't know if ctc really exists.
I do exist! I just never got added to the group from my end, even though I definitely gave the right number to Sabro. I stayed in the Salsa room almost the whole weekend except one Bachata on Sunday night. I think the best description of myself is a Chinese guy with fancy white shoes.:dancingbanana:
 
I do exist! I just never got added to the group from my end, even though I definitely gave the right number to Sabro. I stayed in the Salsa room almost the whole weekend except one Bachata on Sunday night. I think the best description of myself is a Chinese guy with fancy white shoes.:dancingbanana:
Well there were only like three Asian guys I saw in the salsa room, one of whom was our own SFer owldancer, so I think I know who you were :p But we didn't dance, I would have remembered an Asian lead, I didn't dance with any besides owldancer.

Also, I checked and apparently in my rush to make the Whatsapp group right before I was boarding my flight to Warsaw it turns out I had added a different guy with your name from my phone contacts to the Whatsapp group, because when I copied your number it looks like some weird "20" got added, therefore the only Michael that showed up in my Whatsapp was the other one (a dancer I met in Rio :D), so my apologies.

No wonder we got a notification on the Whatsapp group that the other Michael guy "left the group" on Sunday :p (I wonder what took him so long...guess he was enjoying our chat too much :D )
 
I danced half kizomba. I saw Smejmoon dance 2.5. Al Israel was only dancing bachata, unless he sneaked in Kizomba behind my back. After dancing what she thought was kizomba, Sabro discovered she was sembaing. I never saw DH the whole festival except when we were outside of festival venue. TP2 never left the salsa room. I don't know if ctc really exists. Uchima exists but can only be heard and not seen! TF got consumed by the protests. And a lurker was left sleep deprived by Sabro and DH! So neither of the two danced Kizomba.

:D
Some people saw me! I was everywhere so hard to catch me.
I met someone I know at the last party at like 4.00 in the morning, she was like "Were you here the all time?:eek:"
 
Well there were only like three Asian guys I saw in the salsa room, one of whom was our own SFer owldancer, so I think I know who you were :p But we didn't dance, I would have remembered an Asian lead, I didn't dance with any besides owldancer.

Also, I checked and apparently in my rush to make the Whatsapp group right before I was boarding my flight to Warsaw it turns out I had added a different guy with your name from my phone contacts to the Whatsapp group, because when I copied your number it looks like some weird "20" got added, therefore the only Michael that showed up in my Whatsapp was the other one (a dancer I met in Rio :D), so my apologies.

No wonder we got a notification on the Whatsapp group that the other Michael guy "left the group" on Sunday :p (I wonder what took him so long...guess he was enjoying our chat too much :D )
It’s not too late to add me back!
 
So the first night of the festival, as the concert was about to end and I was getting ready to leave the ice skating rink (aka the salsa room) for less slippery rooms, I saw Fernando Sosa dancing this awesome dance--I had no idea he was such a good casino dancer! Now all of a sudden all his complicated salsa moves make sense :p

There was a guy with a "Social Dance TV" shirt filming so I was looking forward to seeing the video, and it just got uploaded :)

 
So the first night of the festival, as the concert was about to end and I was getting ready to leave the ice skating rink (aka the salsa room) for less slippery rooms, I saw Fernando Sosa dancing this awesome dance--I had no idea he was such a good casino dancer! Now all of a sudden all his complicated salsa moves make sense :p

There was a guy with a "Social Dance TV" shirt filming so I was looking forward to seeing the video, and it just got uploaded :)

Definitely authentic Casino. Did El Che give a standing ovation?
 
So the first night of the festival, as the concert was about to end and I was getting ready to leave the ice skating rink (aka the salsa room) for less slippery rooms, I saw Fernando Sosa dancing this awesome dance--I had no idea he was such a good casino dancer! Now all of a sudden all his complicated salsa moves make sense :p

There was a guy with a "Social Dance TV" shirt filming so I was looking forward to seeing the video, and it just got uploaded :)


So you saying to be casino dancer is to be complex :)

Other than because of music he is dancing to, I find it hard to categorise as Cuban/Casino.

1. There are many times he is standing or doing very little movement when leading with hands all those casino like things.

2. I don't see a continuous forward and circular motion from him. When I think Casino, I like that Cuban flavour with forward stepping (and tapping) and circular motion.

3. Many places he is leading straight CBL than DNQ.

4. There are times when I see more of a slot that moves.

5. At end of some of his turn pattern, he exits by walking straight, where as the most casino dancers will exit with a kind of walk around (however slight) the follower.

His footwork and body movements are good but they are same as when he is dancing linear/slot (they don't have to be different)

Was busy watching him and didn't observe the follower. What in your opinion makes this good 'casino' on his part? For me it is good, but not casino!

Are you sure you uploaded the dance you saw or is this different video?
 
So you saying to be casino dancer is to be complex :)

Other than because of music he is dancing to, I find it hard to categorise as Cuban/Casino.

1. There are many times he is standing or doing very little movement when leading with hands all those casino like things.

2. I don't see a continuous forward and circular motion from him. When I think Casino, I like that Cuban flavour with forward stepping (and tapping) and circular motion.

3. Many places he is leading straight CBL than DNQ.

4. There are times when I see more of a slot that moves.

5. At end of some of his turn pattern, he exits by walking straight, where as the most casino dancers will exit with a kind of walk around (however slight) the follower.

His footwork and body movements are good but they are same as when he is dancing linear/slot (they don't have to be different)

Was busy watching him and didn't observe the follower. What in your opinion makes this good 'casino' on his part? For me it is good, but not casino!

Are you sure you uploaded the dance you saw or is this different video?
Methinks you missed the sarcasm :p
 
I did.

I thought it was sarcasm and was going to ask. But I wasn't sure. Just so that the future readers don't take it as an example of good casino by missing the sarcasm.
He's obviously a linear dancer first and doing a fusion in the dance. It's usually easy to tell wíth a dancer what their original or main dance style is even when they are doing another style IMO. Or at least its shows between linear vs. casino. Don't know if it's as clear on2 vs. on1.
 
I'm pretty sure this was not sarcasm.
Sabs said she was following this YouTube channel, and was looking forward to giving this video.

I would just like to stress my opinion: not dancing "pure casino" (whatever this means) - is perfectly okay.

-It's marketing 'not-casino' as 'yes-casino' that is bad. (and spreads ignorance).

I.E: People marketing a style of Salsa (Salsa is a 'weastern' dance!) developed in Miami as something "Cuban".
 
He's obviously a linear dancer first and doing a fusion in the dance. It's usually easy to tell wíth a dancer what their original or main dance style is even when they are doing another style IMO. Or at least its shows between linear vs. casino. Don't know if it's as clear on2 vs. on1.
I disagree in a sense that a dancer can dance both casino and linear without betraying the other. It is not that difficult because the styles are so distinct.
 
I disagree in a sense that a dancer can dance both casino and linear without betraying the other. It is not that difficult because the styles are so distinct.
When I look at videos I think I can usually see what the dancer either started with or prefers. Maybe I am just deluded. Of course in this case he was probably deliberately mixing. When I have danced with leads who are from a linear background they generally have been a much more - stiff frame isn't necessarily the word I want to use - but let's say noticeably more arm tension than casino-bred dancers. But then I have never danced with any of you so...I've been dancing with the wrong leads ;)
 
When I look at videos I think I can usually see what the dancer either started with or prefers. Maybe I am just deluded. Of course in this case he was probably deliberately mixing. When I have danced with leads who are from a linear background they generally have been a much more - stiff frame isn't necessarily the word I want to use - but let's say noticeably more arm tension than casino-bred dancers. But then I have never danced with any of you so...I've been dancing with the wrong leads ;)
I should have qualified saying a good dancer that is able to dance both casino and linear can do so without betraying the other.

I will discount the videos because they are selectively recording only some tiny portion of the dances.

It is true that in linear you would require more arm tension, while in casino style you need to keep the arms softer to execute all those spaghetti pretzel moves. But when you are not doing those hand moves, any dance including casino style would still require some arm tension to indicate to the follower where to move next. May be the dancers you are referring to also more stuff when dancing linear too. In Europe I find a lot of girls use pretty stiff arms.
 

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