Differences between Cuban Salsa and Casino on the dance floor

Son travels Fwd and Back, in a circular arc. But, no Fwd breaks in the basic .It also travels Fwd in an arc from a Dile que no. There are numerous vids showing this..
Yes. In case I was not clear, son travels both forward and backward. It's quite easy to find numerous examples in any video. Also you're right, there are no forward breaks. These points can help one distinguish between son and casino.
 
What I noticed in the video of 47, 60's, 50's Pierre and Lavelle, was that girls are sometimes let backwards (especially in closed position).
I thought that proper cuban dancing only makes the follow move forward?
They are all incarnations of a similar approach.
Mcc / casino people say aim to move fwd
Intern BR latin say aim to have weight fwd even when stepping bwd
Linear salsa ladies should cross (move fwd) when the door is open

The similarity between the first two is clear, and one technical reason for it is that by pushing fwd you achieve a better connection between the partners. For the linear salsa I will not comment further.
 
Of course its BR! Where do you think American linear salsa is coming from? We already discussed this..
No we didn't. You tried to preach that, if I recall. BR if anything is not precursor to any of the dance forms but rather opposite. It took something that existed, codified it and may I also add bastardized it.

I would ask the same question in a different way! Assuming CBL in on1 linear salsa and tiempo DQN how do you lead physically the lady's body to cross yours? I emphasise physically. The rest, whether you start facing together or perpendicular or finish facing or perpendicular or even opposite are simply stylistic elements.
Let me ask you. Do you know West coast swing? How do you lead a left side pass in it?

For your information - I don't physically lead the lady's body in any dance form. I don't pull her, I don't push her, I don't physically lift her, or carry her, or anything to suggest I physically do anything with her body :D
 
Not in son. Son travels backwards. The reason casino does not is because it was optimized for ruedas and changing partners. And Pierre is dancing son, not casino. So of course you see backwards travel.
Reuda doesn't travel backwards? I am sure I have seen quite a few Ruedas where there are backsteps or backward travel.
 
No we didn't. You tried to preach that, if I recall. BR if anything is not precursor to any of the dance forms but rather opposite. It took something that existed, codified it and may I also add bastardized it.



Let me ask you. Do you know West coast swing? How do you lead a left side pass in it?

For your information - I don't physically lead the lady's body in any dance form. I don't pull her, I don't push her, I don't physically lift her, or carry her, or anything to suggest I physically do anything with her body :D
No, I believe that others well accepted the so called "tarting" as was mentioned in the other locked thread between US salsa and BR. I will not get back into this discussion. The connection to hustle, the use of CBL (by the Amer. style BR book), the linearity, etc etc the list is long enough.

As for your leading, if you do not physically lead her what on earth are you doing on the dance floor with her? Watch her? Open the way for her? Oh yes, use her momentum, right? But hold on a second, you said no physical leading, not even a finger then!!! So you use a scarf or something or you just turn your hand in the air and she spins 100 times in a minute. Oh dear oh dear! :facepalm:
 
Reuda doesn't travel backwards? I am sure I have seen quite a few Ruedas where there are backsteps or backward travel.
No, because people are constantly changing partners in ruedas so the travel is forward. Can you post a video of a rueda you've seen traveling backwards? I've never seen one. Unless you are referring to the pattern known as "para ti y para mi" in which the partners do a figure that looks a lot like the salsa on 2 basic. But it doesn't travel backwards. It does not, however, travel forward either. It pretty much is done in place. Post a video with time stamp and I'll let you know! :)
 

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Son Montuno
No we didn't. You tried to preach that, if I recall. BR if anything is not precursor to any of the dance forms but rather opposite. It took something that existed, codified it and may I also add bastardized it.

Let me ask you. Do you know West coast swing? How do you lead a left side pass in it?

For your information - I don't physically lead the lady's body in any dance form. I don't pull her, I don't push her, I don't physically lift her, or carry her, or anything to suggest I physically do anything with her body :D
That's fine. You are not using physical lead (or not much/rarely at least), but other types of lead (visual, shaping, follower's autopilot etc). Matter of preference of you and your followers
But physical lead exists in dancing and feels very nice if executed properly
Don't be so critical to the ballroom. There are other BR guys here ;)
 
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Check the beginning of the clip

To be honest, I have yet to see a youtube video of son where there is no fwd break. Should I challenge what others say as traditional style or should we accept that there will always be some improvisational aspects? I believe the second!

Also in the rueda, I never recall the lady moving alone with bwd steps to the previous guy. The only time she would move with bwd steps around the circle is in closed hold.
 
They are all incarnations of a similar approach.
Mcc / casino people say aim to move fwd
Intern BR latin say aim to have weight fwd even when stepping bwd
Linear salsa ladies should cross (move fwd) when the door is open

The similarity between the first two is clear, and one technical reason for it is that by pushing fwd you achieve a better connection between the partners. For the linear salsa I will not comment further.
I know how to make connection with a partner. But I fail to see how you would call that 'moving forward'.
In argentinian tango the follow moves backwards (with some exeptions).
Yet they can maintain connection with the lead that is in front of them.
 

vit

Son Montuno
I know how to make connection with a partner. But I fail to see how you would call that 'moving forward'.
In argentinian tango the follow moves backwards (with some exeptions).
Yet they can maintain connection with the lead that is in front of them.
Conclusion from above is quite straightforward: arg. tango and BR latin are closer to casino than linear salsa :p:troll:
 
I know how to make connection with a partner. But I fail to see how you would call that 'moving forward'.
In argentinian tango the follow moves backwards (with some exeptions).
Yet they can maintain connection with the lead that is in front of them.
In BR latin (int) you are taught to maintain weight fwd so the two partners are like two long pieces of wood which touch each other at the top and they are l balanced. If you like there is constant but soft pressure applied between the two.

I felt that pressure also with some casino ladies that I danced with that kept pushing fwd so they applied the same pressure but without necessary having the same posture as BR.

In fact this is a way to immediately spot bad BR dancers, they do not have weight fwd nor do they try to push fwd to create connection with their partner so the whole dance becomes disconnected with very poor physical lead. What does that remind me off?!?! :D
 

vit

Son Montuno
In BR latin (int) you are taught to maintain weight fwd so the two partners are like two long pieces of wood which touch each other at the top and they are l balanced. If you like there is constant but soft pressure applied between the two.
Did you actually dance that way? We used both pressure (push) and tension (pull), depending on the move (or where in the move)
 
Did you actually dance that way? We used both pressure (push) and tension (pull), depending on the move (or where in the move)
Still do! Even when tension is built the body position can be fwd. Think of the very basic in rumba. On the count of 2 lead breaks fwd but maintains body position fwd. The lady steps back but does not move her back behind the back stepping foot. So her posture is still fwd looking too. The tension is built because of the distance and the hold (of hopefully flexed arms). If both take their postures bwd then coming back together after the count of 2 will become a more abrupt move (slingshot style).
 

vit

Son Montuno
Still do! Even when tension is built the body position can be fwd. Think of the very basic in rumba. On the count of 2 lead breaks fwd but maintains body position fwd. The lady steps back but does not move her back behind the back stepping foot.
Well, some do (although not on a basic level)... and various teachers even in BR teach things differently ... so if you were taught that way, it doesn't mean everyone was ... like not everyone was taught casino MCC way or salsa Sanchez way .....
There is never one correct way, there is usually only a way one thinks it is correct ...
 
Well, some do (although not on a basic level)... and various teachers even in BR teach things differently ...
If you are beginner, ok; if you are intermediate, hmm perhaps; if you are advanced...heh...with all respect, I would change teacher.

There is never one correct way, there is usually only a way one thinks it is correct ...
On a social level ok. In a performance level there are some principles that you cannot escape from if you want performance results.
 
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