This song it's a bachata or a bolero? (Entre sabanas blancas de Leoni Torres y Omi Hernandez)

Discussion in 'Salsa Music' started by Juanan, Oct 8, 2017.

  1. Juanan

    Juanan Changui

    Hello Salser@s!

    It is my first post in this forum but I have read you a long time. I did not dare to participate before because I am Spanish and I do not speak much English. But I have decided to start participating.

    My first post is for a doubt that I have: The song 'Entre sabanas blancas from Leoni Torres and Omi Hernandez', is it a bachata or a bolero? And because?

    Thank you!
     
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  2. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

     
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  3. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    That is a very beautiful Bolero... And, your English is fine !.... Bien venidos mi amigo .
     
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  4. Juanan

    Juanan Changui

    Thank you Marisha, I do not have permissions yet to post links.

    Gracias!!

    How do you distinguish it from a bachata?

    PS: This song is being used a lot in Europe for sensual bachata workshops.
    PS2: Google translator it's a good helper, hahaha.
     
  5. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

    Bolero
     
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  6. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

    This Bolero sounds for me also a little bit like bachata and salsa:D
     
  7. Juanan

    Juanan Changui

    This is easy to distinguish for me ;) (But i can't tell you why i know it's a bolero and not a bachata, :D)

    This is a little more complicated.
    I have found a version with better sound
    .

    You can hear the Clave at the start. ¿Have bachata sounds Clave?
    I can hear also the 'kunkun' or double beat of conga what I think it's typical of bolero, chachacha or salsa songs.
    Although that does not seem to be a problem for everyone to dance like a bachata o_O

    But, on 'Entre sabanas blancas' I can't ear this double conga beat. And beats on second 58 (0.58") it's very similar for me to bachata beats. :confused:
     
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  8. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

    Yes...
    Bachata does not have Clave....
     
  9. Juanan

    Juanan Changui

    Great! Thank you! ;)
     
  10. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

    :D:D:D:D:D
    I did not know that bachata does not have Clave before you mentioned that. :D:D:D:D I have not thought about it at all. I am listening 7th bachata song now and try to catch Clave... I cannot find them. :rofl: So, thank you not me.:D
     
  11. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    The cord structure ( to my ears ) does not speak to Bachata . The tempo is also ideal for Bolero and is more melodic. I guess the reason they use the song , is probably the majority do not know what a Bolero is ! .

    But why am I not surprised ? because many teachers are not "IN " the teaching profession per se .
     
  12. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    That song is not remotely Bolero..( nor are the dancers dancing Bolero )
     
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  13. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao


    Now that is a Bachata . By the way I do like all the songs
     
  14. Tomm

    Tomm Tumbao

    I was always confused by "bachata" songs with clearly audible clave played with clave sticks ( there is one by juan luis guerra) so this is not bachata at all but rather bolero? nice I'd still dance bachata to it tho ;)
     
  15. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

    They dance salsa mostly...:)
     
  16. Marisha

    Marisha Descarga

  17. canei

    canei Son Montuno

    A couple of things to distinguish bachata from bolero.

    As others mentioned, bachata does not use clave.

    Another important one, probably the most important for me, is the bass. In bolero the bass plays 1,3,4, 5,7,8 throughout the whole song (excluding decorative runs). In bachata the bass plays two rhythms, in derecho it plays 1,2.5, 3,4,5,6.5,7,8. In maja'o it plays 1,2,2.5,4,4.5,5,6,6.5,8,8.5. (again this is just the foundation rhythm, excluding any decorative runs)

    And lastly a more subjective point, in bolero the requinto is more free form. While the requinto in bachata definitely has a lot of freedom, at some point in the song it usually falls into playing those 3-3-2 arpeggios that are so distinctive to bachata.

    Of course all that I've written above applies to real bachata music. Horrible sensual remixes are made by people who don't seem to know the musical rules of the genre, and so butcher it all the time.
     
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  18. Tomm

    Tomm Tumbao

    ok so this would be a bolero?
     
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  19. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao


    What a beautiful song !.. I would definitely dance Bolero...
     
  20. timberamayor

    timberamayor Maestro 'Guaguanco' Rodríguez

    What is this? I know people dance bachata to it, but is it like a pop-son-bolero ?

     

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