Dancing with latinas who are untrained

Discussion in 'Just Dance' started by isaacjunk, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. LarsM

    LarsM Sonero

    *cough* this was directed at DJ Yuca, quote fail.
  2. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    Well, you make my point , as I'm an accredited adjudicator and have been so. for over 40 years, judging in many towns and cities , and not "just a guy ",and it don't get anymore anecdotal than that !!
  3. LarsM

    LarsM Sonero

    "A guy" in the singular. I did say anecdotal observations shouldn't be discarded, especially in fields where you don't have anything else - and the anecdotal observations of a highly skilled individual obviously carries more weight than say, me. And yet, the observations of one highly skilled individual shouldn't be treated as gospel. See also: repeatedly banned Cuban guy, researchers everywhere on Earth arguing with each other.
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  4. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    Things in dancing are highly subjective, including judging
    So we can talk about personal preferences and include some arguments for them at best
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  5. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    You and I definately have different experiences of latin americans dancing. Also very different experiences with teachers. I have yet to see a salsa teacher who teaches serious technique of dancing. Exception the very first teacher I had back in late 90s. The rest just focussed on moves. The ones that gave technical advice ... well let us say that it was not to standard (to avoid using a harsher term). Maybe things are really different in the other side of the Atlantic...
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  6. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    [QUOTE="LarsM, post: 326338, member: 286604

    See also: repeatedly banned Cuban guy,


    But, the main reason for that, was his ad hominum attacks, on all and sundry , among other things.
  7. Live2dance

    Live2dance Shine Officer

    That is because for the NxNth time we either see or hear people admiring multi-spin fest as if is THE dancing barrier that all must pass to be a proper salsa dancer. And this is in line with the social videos we see.
  8. vit

    vit Clave Commander

    It's just a consequence of "customer is king" and not limited only to salsa or particular side of particular ocean - it's the same in all spheres of our lives. They offer us only what we want and what we actually deserve (majority at least). Those that offer what they think they should are quickly out of business.
    Even those that offer something like "serious technique" mostly actually offer styling, in a sense one should "look better" if doing things that way and not one should move/feel better (and BR is not exception here)
    So people end up buying bunch of mostly useless things ... hyperproduction of our modern society is based on that
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  9. DJ Yuca

    DJ Yuca El Sabroso de Conguero

    If we assume or decide that the way to dance salsa as defined by the salsa scene is the only correct way to dance salsa then yes, it's a highly technical style that generally doesn't work with untrained dancers, regardless of their familiarity with the music. In respect, obviously trained dancers do better. But the salsa scene has a very homogenized view of salsa dance, so to say it's the only way to dance is incorrect imo. Also the salsa scene is full of people who don't know or like the music they dance to, so I can understand why someone with no training but a deep familiarity with the music might think that their knowledge is equally or more valid than that of someone who goes to classes but doesn't know or like the music.
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  10. Marcos

    Marcos Son

    I must again take contention. If we are calling dancing an art, why can anyone state that training is not a thing that would improve the dance? Why do bands rehearse, painters make sketches, composers write drafts that are subsequently massaged, if not because it produces a more polished end result? It's not just professional athletes that practice and train. Some of us view dancing as a performance art, and find it enjoyable and rewarding to do complex partner work. And an overlapping group of us consider the dance experience to have failed the quality test if the follower fights doing even the most basic steps.

    And since context can be quite helpful, let me elaborate on my usage of the word crew on a previous post. When I started learning to dance salsa, I learned Casino-Rueda first, a type of dancing that is only possible to achieve with standardized training. Each crew tends to come up with their own take on turns, or creates some of their own. Therefore I am always searching for those who are trained to dance Rueda.
  11. Marcos

    Marcos Son

    A couple of hilarious videos on first time salsa.

  12. Marcos

    Marcos Son

    What do you mean by real partnership? I'm familiar with the below principles of dancing. But I am not familiar with a real partnership principle.
    1. Footwork
    2. Styling
    3. Ability to lead-follow complex moves
    4. Looking at the other person and smiling
    5. Correct weight transfer at the appropriate time to compliment partner's movement
    6. Experience with partners of different body types and understanding how to adjust
    7. Ability to quickly recover from mistakes or fake movement to hide the mistakes
    8. timing
    9. body isolation
    10. Arm motion and control

    All principles listed require practice, training, exercises, etc. Which is why I'm not as good a dancer as I used to be, as time with my kids is more important to me than dedicating the time to be better.
  13. terence

    terence Maestro 'Descarga' Cachao

    out of that list, that is the only one that, figures into the equation, and even so ,it does not meet the total requirements of " partnership" .

    Add to timing, the 4 most important aspects are.. Hold,
    Frame , Poise/Pitch and Muscle control .

    Those aspects, are the tools which are necessary to create partnership, with any dancer in any style
    The majority of "teachers " ( from all appearances ) do NOT teach close or closed "hold " . Their emphasis, seems to be on the "dance " having little or no close contact.

    ALL good dancing needs to " breathe " , and the shading of Light and Dark thru dance , is generally absent .

    PS.. you missed one other "techn " in your post.. " Foot Position " , NOT the same as footwork .
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